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    24 Apr '15 11:25
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    somehow this is an issue in america. an issue that isn't being solved.
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    24 Apr '15 15:26
    rape is not a laughing matter.

    unless you rape a clown.
  3. Cape Town
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    24 Apr '15 15:43
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyx-BeZVdMw

    somehow this is an issue in america. an issue that isn't being solved.
    What do you mean by 'isn't being solved'? Is there a solution other than letting the courts deal with it?
    So you believe rapists do not have parental rights? If so, how do you justify that?
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    25 Apr '15 00:37
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What do you mean by 'isn't being solved'? Is there a solution other than letting the courts deal with it?
    So you believe rapists do not have parental rights? If so, how do you justify that?
    On what basis do you justify granting parental rights to a rapist?
  5. The Catbird's Seat
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    25 Apr '15 01:29
    Originally posted by vivify
    On what basis do you justify granting parental rights to a rapist?
    Yeh, I want to hear that one.
  6. Cape Town
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    25 Apr '15 07:201 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    On what basis do you justify granting parental rights to a rapist?
    On what basis do you justify granting parental rights to any child? I would probably be consistent and use the same basis.
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    25 Apr '15 08:05
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    On what basis do you justify granting parental rights to any child? I would probably be consistent and use the same basis.
    I see, so a rapist is "the same" as a non-rapist.
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    25 Apr '15 10:01
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I see, so a rapist is "the same" as a non-rapist.
    I never said nor implied that in the slightest.

    So, is anyone willing to take a shot at deciding where parental rights come from?
    Don't forget to give a brief description of how cases of adoption and artificial insemination should be handled.
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    25 Apr '15 10:19
    Originally posted by Seitse
    rape is not a laughing matter.

    unless you rape a clown.
    Liar.

    If it is a sad clown I can assure you it's no laughing matter. 😠
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    25 Apr '15 12:27
    Originally posted by whodey
    Liar.

    If it is a sad clown I can assure you it's no laughing matter. 😠
    Good point there. Is it still funny if the clown is not precisely
    sad but just a tad melancholic?
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    25 Apr '15 12:27
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What do you mean by 'isn't being solved'? Is there a solution other than letting the courts deal with it?
    So you believe rapists do not have parental rights? If so, how do you justify that?
    It is all too common for conservatives to find it difficult to feel empathy or compassion for those outside of their immediate family circle. If you are having trouble feeling concern for this lack of support for women who bear children that are the result of rape, I suggest you imagine your wife, daughter, sister or mother (you have to have at least one of these) being raped, getting pregnant, keeping the baby and then having the rapist demand parental rights. There are several cases of conservatives like (the) Dick Cheney who had a bit of a homophobic turn around once his daughter came out of the closet.
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    25 Apr '15 12:442 edits
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Good point there. Is it still funny if the clown is not precisely
    sad but just a tad melancholic?
    It's too late to apologize now, if that is what that was. You have already shown that you have a credibility issue.

    Also, you have offended sad clowns all over the world.

    I had no idea you were a sad clown bigot.
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    25 Apr '15 17:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    It's too late to apologize now, if that is what that was. You have already shown that you have a credibility issue.

    Also, you have offended sad clowns all over the world.

    I had no idea you were a sad clown bigot.
    You know there is only one path, and one path only.

    I have no science to back that up but I strongly believe
    in it, and that's that.
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    25 Apr '15 19:18
    Originally posted by Phranny
    It is all too common for conservatives to find it difficult to feel empathy or compassion for those outside of their immediate family circle.
    I am not sure who you are addressing as I am not a conservative.

    If you are having trouble feeling concern for this lack of support for women who bear children that are the result of rape,
    I for one am not having any such trouble.
    I do notice however that every participant in this thread besides me, does not want to discuss the actual issue but would rather pretend that the rapist has no parental rights whatsoever with no justification given.

    My own thoughts on the matter are as follows:
    1. Anyone, rapist included, has some rights to their biological children. There may be good reasons to terminate those rights. I am not convinced that rape automatically should terminate those rights.
    2. Rape should be dealt with in court and appropriate punishment / rehabilitation given.
    3. I am not sure what the implications are of the woman choosing to have the child in the first place are.
    4. We must remember that many rapists are related to the victim.
    5. There will be cases where any laws on this matter are misused. What happens if a couple separates and the mother wants sole custody. Can she simply claim that on the day she conceived she didn't say yes?
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    25 Apr '15 21:11
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I never said nor implied that in the slightest.

    So, is anyone willing to take a shot at deciding where parental rights come from?
    Don't forget to give a brief description of how cases of adoption and artificial insemination should be handled.
    Generally, parental rights stem from consensual relations, either sexual or contractual. Rape is neither.
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