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  1. 12 May '11 02:07
    WTF?!
  2. 12 May '11 02:34
    WFC?
  3. 17 May '11 14:11
    Michelle Obama recently invited rapper Common to the White House for a poetry reading. This was problematic for two reasons.

    First, nobody with one name deserves any respect whatsoever; this is especially true of rappers, who have generally contributed nothing to humanity except for the systematic dissing of women and an explorations of verbal porn and vulgarity.

    Second, Common happens to be an especially egregious in giving the non-art of rap a leftwing political dimension – he averred that Americans should “Burn a Bush for peace,” he opposes interracial relationships (“I disagree with them. It’s a lack of self-love. It’s a problem&rdquo, and he defends cop killers.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/05/17/the-left%E2%80%99s-absurd-defense-of-the-rapper-common/



    Add another radical type figure to the list that the Obama's adore. The way the left is defending this is even more absurd
  4. Standard member Lundos
    Back to basics
    17 May '11 14:25
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Add another radical type figure to the list that the Obama's adore. The way the left is defending this is even more absurd[/b]
    Haha. This should be a non-story, but there we have Fox News at work again. The attack is the only absurd part of this story.

    Jon Steward and O'Reilly discuss the subject:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im8WhG-8FGw&feature=player_embedded
  5. 17 May '11 14:37
    Originally posted by Lundos
    Haha. This should be a non-story, but there we have Fox News at work again. The attack is the only absurd part of this story.

    Jon Steward and O'Reilly discuss the subject:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im8WhG-8FGw&feature=player_embedded
    They're all "non stories" with the left concerning the Obama's and their radical associations and or sympathizes.
    1. Bill Ayers
    2, Rev. Wright
    3. Van Jones
    4. ACORN
    5. etc,etc, the list goes on...
  6. Standard member Lundos
    Back to basics
    17 May '11 14:38
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    They're all "non stories" with the left concerning the Obama's and their radical associations and or sympathizes.
    1. Bill Ayers
    2, Rev. Wright
    3. Van Jones
    4. ACORN
    5. etc,etc, the list goes on...
    Hasn't most the stories been debunked on this forum? Why continue to sprout all the lies?
  7. 17 May '11 14:52
    Originally posted by Lundos
    Hasn't most the stories been debunked on this forum? Why continue to sprout all the lies?
    Whats to debunk ? What lies ? Van Jones is not a communist ? Bill Ayers is not a terrorist ? These are facts .
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 May '11 14:54 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Lundos
    Hasn't most the stories been debunked on this forum? Why continue to sprout all the lies?
    Which of those stories have been "debunked"? ACORN, perhaps (in that it's unclear as to how much association there was directly between Obama and ACORN other than that they supported him). The President did have well documented associations with all of those people and all of those people have said or done some very controversial stuff.

    Each person can choose how much or how little significance to place on those associations, but I don't see that any of those stories were "debunked."
  9. Standard member Lundos
    Back to basics
    17 May '11 15:15
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Whats to debunk ? What lies ? Van Jones is not a communist ? Bill Ayers is not a terrorist ? These are facts .
    Define terrorist. Doesn't it involve killing someone? Besides making an issue of Obama's association with Bill Ayers doing in the 1960s and 1970s is ridiculous.

    Van Jones is a communist. So what? Obama isn't and his politics aren't.

    Originally posted by sh76
    Which of those stories have been "debunked"? ACORN, perhaps (in that it's unclear as to how much association there was directly between Obama and ACORN other than that they supported him). The President did have well documented associations with all of those people and all of those people have said or done some very controversial stuff.

    Each person can choose how much or how little significance to place on those associations, but I don't see that any of those stories were "debunked."


    So debunked might be too strong a word, but there is not doubt about the Fox 'News' misinforming and exaggeration of any of Obamas links and influence of these radical people.
  10. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 May '11 15:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Lundos
    Define terrorist. Doesn't it involve killing someone? Besides making an issue of Obama's association with Bill Ayers doing in the 1960s and 1970s is ridiculous.

    Van Jones is a communist. So what? Obama isn't and his politics aren't.

    Originally posted by sh76
    [b]Which of those stories have been "debunked"? ACORN, perhaps (in that it's unclear a rming and exaggeration of any of Obamas links and influence of these radical people.
    [/b]
    I dunno

    Obama did have a fairly strong association with Ayers, who is unrepentant for his acts of terrorism.

    He was a member of the church of Jeremiah Wright for many years and it's difficult to believe that Wright was less extreme every Sunday than he showed himself to be on his cable news circuit after the story broke.

    Obama did appoint Van Jones to a significant position of authority in his administration. Of course Obama is not a communist, but it's fair to point out that he delegated authority to someone who is.

    Again, I'm not overly bothered by these things.

    - The connection with Ayers isn't really strong enough to bother me
    - The Jones appointment didn't have much to do with economic policy
    - The Wright thing, frankly, does bother me. But I'm prepared to accept that Obama stayed in his church for other reasons and does not subscribe to the same radical politics as does Wright.

    But I certainly would not blame anyone for looking at these things differently. Throwing Fox News into the pot and stirring in a bit of allegations of misinformation and lies does not completely make these things go away.
  11. 17 May '11 15:46 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Lundos
    Define terrorist. Doesn't it involve killing someone? Besides making an issue of Obama's association with Bill Ayers doing in the 1960s and 1970s is ridiculous.

    Van Jones is a communist. So what? Obama isn't and his politics aren't.

    Originally posted by sh76
    [b]Which of those stories have been "debunked"? ACORN, perhaps (in that it's unclear a rming and exaggeration of any of Obamas links and influence of these radical people.
    How do I define terrorist? The same way as the rest of the world does. You dont have to kill some one to be a terrorist. What a bizarre notion.

    Ayers told the New York Times in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

    Sounds like a terrorist to me.

    edit: As far as your "so what ?" to Obama appointing a communist in Van Jones, what can I say? You are more deluded than I thought.
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    17 May '11 15:49
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    WTF?!
    Are you crying about rappers in general being asked to the White House (as the title of the thread suggests) or this rapper in particular?
  13. 17 May '11 15:53 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Are you crying about rappers in general being asked to the White House (as the title of the thread suggests) or this rapper in particular?
    this one in particular.
    edit: he averred that Americans should “Burn a Bush for peace,” he opposes interracial relationships and he defends cop killers.
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    17 May '11 16:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    this one in particular.
    edit: he averred that Americans should “Burn a Bush for peace,” he opposes interracial relationships and he defends cop killers.
    Who gives a crap? Even if all that was true (and they are distortions), he was one of dozens of performers at a "Poetry Night". Does everybody who walks in the door at the White House have to meet this right wing version of political correctness? Will Fox News be checking on the political backgrounds of the White House caterers next?
  15. 17 May '11 16:07
    Originally posted by Lundos
    [b]Define terrorist. Doesn't it involve killing someone?
    Hilarious!!

    So you won't mind if we burn down your home when you leave for the day?