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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    14 Nov '10 18:51
    I'm curious about the book but scared to have anyone see me holding a copy.

    Does anyone here own a copy? Of course out of the closet racialists have no problem admitting it, but for the rest of us it's a very dangerous symbol to have in our possession. I wouldn't want some person to see it on my bookshelf for example.
  2. 14 Nov '10 18:53 / 1 edit
    I suppose if you are a non academic, then I can see how having a copy would be seen as negative. It is a historical document and should be studied by anyone who does not wish to see that kind of thing happen again.

    Edit:

    Having said that, I don't own a copy of it, nor have I read it. I've only read parts that were required readings for my history class when I was in school.
  3. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    14 Nov '10 18:54
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I'm curious about the book but scared to have anyone see me holding a copy.

    Does anyone here own a copy? Of course out of the closet racialists have no problem admitting it, but for the rest of us it's a very dangerous symbol to have in our possession. I wouldn't want some person to see it on my bookshelf for example.
    I think you can pick up a copy at Amazon.com pretty cheap, but please...don't be scared. Last I checked this was still a free country, and one could read what they wish.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    14 Nov '10 19:00 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by bill718
    I think you can pick up a copy at Amazon.com pretty cheap, but please...don't be scared. Last I checked this was still a free country, and one could read what they wish.
    These symbols are pretty important. I was reading the biography of Malcom X on the subway the other day. Some chicano kid started asking me if I had to read it for school or something...he was really surprised to see someone with my appearance reading that book in public. Then when I sat down (in the back of the train car) a real ghetto black dude came and sat down next to me and asked me about it...he was surprised too.

    That book is nothing like as powerful a symbol as Mein Kampf.

    EDIT - I'm sure I can find it online for free. I don't need a copy to read it. I'm more curious about how you all feel about having such a book in your possession where someone might see it. If you hide it away, it just means it will be more shocking when someone does see it.

    It may be a free country, but there are street gangs that take these symbols extremely seriously out here. Not to mention children, dates, business associates...
  5. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    14 Nov '10 19:04
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    These symbols are pretty important. I was reading the biography of Malcom X on the subway the other day. Some chicano kid started asking me if I had to read it for school or something...he was really surprised to see someone with my appearance reading that book in public. Then when I sat down (in the back of the train car) a real ghetto black dude ...[text shortened]... symbols extremely seriously out here. Not to mention children, dates, business associates...
    I have no problem with people owning it at all.
    Just don't have a framed photo of Hitler over your bed and you should turn out alright.
  6. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    14 Nov '10 19:13
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    These symbols are pretty important. I was reading the biography of Malcom X on the subway the other day. Some chicano kid started asking me if I had to read it for school or something...he was really surprised to see someone with my appearance reading that book in public. Then when I sat down (in the back of the train car) a real ghetto black dude ...[text shortened]... symbols extremely seriously out here. Not to mention children, dates, business associates...
    I'm sure these symbols are imporntant...up to a point. This is the price one pays for living in a country like America however. I see people saying and reading things I don't agree with everyday, but I don't have the right to prevent them from reading and saying what they wish. Making special rules for the benefit of street gang members and others so they are not offended however is giving rights to some groups...but not others.
  7. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    15 Nov '10 05:23
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I'm curious about the book but scared to have anyone see me holding a copy.

    Does anyone here own a copy? Of course out of the closet racialists have no problem admitting it, but for the rest of us it's a very dangerous symbol to have in our possession. I wouldn't want some person to see it on my bookshelf for example.
    Among other religious books, I have a copy of the Book of Mormon. I couldn't care two whits about anyone knowing I have it--- or any other book I've opted to gather as I roll down this hill--- despite my complete repulsion of its very existence.

    I also have many books on evolution and others dealing with their authors' hopes of man someday turning the world into a forever-lasting paradise. On a personal basis, I keep some of these books for their amusement value. But the point being made is that it is not what goes into a mind that proves its value; it is what comes out of a mind that proves its mettle.
  8. 15 Nov '10 05:48 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I'm curious about the book but scared to have anyone see me holding a copy.

    Does anyone here own a copy? Of course out of the closet racialists have no problem admitting it, but for the rest of us it's a very dangerous symbol to have in our possession. I wouldn't want some person to see it on my bookshelf for example.
    I own a copy; I can only read it in snatches—it really is a poorly constructed morass, and I’m always tossing it back on the shelf to read something else. I’m probably a third of the way through (I’d actually have to go find it and check). Thus far, the most interesting stuff for me (since I basically got it for the reasons that Eladar cited) has been his views on propaganda and how to use it (the “big lie”, simply packaged, and repeated so broadly and often that even if it is absurd, people will become immune to its absurdity; even if it has no basis in fact, people will get weary of fact-checking, and those who do argue the facts will still find themselves on the defensive—think “death panels” ).

    Hitler, being a capitalist, reportedly made millions on sales, especially after he came to power and any self-respecting Nazi—or self-preservationist non-Nazi—felt compelled to own a copy. The situation in Nazi Germany apparently was opposite of your concerns: it was best to be able to demonstrate that one did indeed own a copy of Mein Kampf.

    EDIT: The nearest bookstore to where I live is 25 miles away, and there is no mass transit—so, I just bought it and drove it home. I’m recognized in that store, but no one seemed to bat an eye. I read a lot of weird stuff. If my book purchases (and library check-outs) are on a computer file somewhere, I’m sure they fit no easy political pattern: in the last year I’ve bought books on both Austrian and Marxian economics, for example (as well as “mainstream” neoclassical and Keynesian economics).
  9. 15 Nov '10 05:59
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I'm curious about the book but scared to have anyone see me holding a copy.

    Does anyone here own a copy? Of course out of the closet racialists have no problem admitting it, but for the rest of us it's a very dangerous symbol to have in our possession. I wouldn't want some person to see it on my bookshelf for example.
    why is it dangerous? why so chicken?

    owning a book does not mean endorsing its contents.

    especially as his family's not getting anything from it.

    if you're really worried, lock it away when not in use and put a book cover on it; suspenders and belt.

    try William Shirer's [i]The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich[i], too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Third_Reich
  10. 15 Nov '10 06:00
    also James Michener's Poland, in which German militarism plays a supporting role.
  11. 15 Nov '10 08:01 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I'm curious about the book but scared to have anyone see me holding a copy.
    When I was a kid reading porno, I hide it in the biology book. When people saw me study my biology, they didn't know what biology I was studying.

    Why not hide your 'Mein Kampf' inside a pornography magazine, and noone will ever ask you what you are really reading.

    This seems to be 'Dein Kampf'.
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    15 Nov '10 09:57
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Why not hide your 'Mein Kampf' inside a pornography magazine, and noone will ever ask you what you are really reading.
    make sure its a gay porn magazine, then you could protest that you were only interested in it for the articles....
  13. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    15 Nov '10 11:52
    Originally posted by FabianFnas

    Why not hide your 'Mein Kampf' inside a pornography magazine, and noone will ever ask you what you are really reading.

    This seems to be 'Dein Kampf'.
    Mein Kampf im Tiroler.

    Puts a whole new twist on that moustache and all the excited screaming.
  14. 15 Nov '10 13:53
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I'm curious about the book but scared to have anyone see me holding a copy.

    Does anyone here own a copy? Of course out of the closet racialists have no problem admitting it, but for the rest of us it's a very dangerous symbol to have in our possession. I wouldn't want some person to see it on my bookshelf for example.
    It is dangerous. Its almost as dangerous as a copy of the Old Testament
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    15 Nov '10 17:35
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    When I was a kid reading porno, I hide it in the biology book. When people saw me study my biology, they didn't know what biology I was studying.

    Why not hide your 'Mein Kampf' inside a pornography magazine, and noone will ever ask you what you are really reading.

    This seems to be 'Dein Kampf'.
    Because if I got caught it would make me look even more suspicious!

    Mormons do not murder people like Nazis do.