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  1. 13 Aug '10 01:33
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

    The Republicans are an alternative like cyanide is to a pistol.
  2. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    13 Aug '10 01:59
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

    The Republicans are an alternative like cyanide is to a pistol.
    So the dermocrats are a pistol. I think your eyes are slowly opening, thumbs up for TJ.
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 Aug '10 03:21
    Unemployment is dropping.

    http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp
  4. 13 Aug '10 03:36
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Unemployment is dropping.

    http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp
    FAIL!

    data up to June, 2010. does not include today's headlines indicating jobless claims have jumped.

    the June 2010 rate of 9.5 pct. does not include people who have given up. those people still have to be supported by the productive portion of the economy.
  5. 13 Aug '10 03:38
    also,the historical comments fail to note the dates at which the Democrats took over the Senate and the House.

    the graph would connote quite a different slant if those were included.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 Aug '10 03:38
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    FAIL!

    data up to June, 2010. does not include today's headlines indicating jobless claims have jumped.

    the June 2010 rate of 9.5 pct. does not include people who have given up. those people still have to be supported by the productive portion of the economy.
    The national unemployment rate was unchanged in July, matching June's 9.5 percent rate, with little change in joblessness for any major demographic group.

    http://hiring.nytimes.monster.com/hr/hr-best-practices/market-intelligence/labor-statistics-trends/USA-unemployment.aspx
  7. Subscriber no1marauderonline
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    13 Aug '10 03:39
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    FAIL!

    data up to June, 2010. does not include today's headlines indicating jobless claims have jumped.

    the June 2010 rate of 9.5 pct. does not include people who have given up. those people still have to be supported by the productive portion of the economy.
    Neither does any of the other figures. If you want to make such an argument, you'll have to adjust all the previous figures as well as the current one.
  8. 13 Aug '10 03:50
    ok, strike "the June 2010 rate of 9.5 pct.", replace with "and the graph shows the unemployment rate, not the unemployed rate (e.g., it is showing a 9.5 pct for June 2010)".
  9. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    13 Aug '10 13:20 / 1 edit
    Right. The 4 biggest reasons for our massive deficits are:

    - floating currencies
    - public debt
    - "unproductive" financial sector
    - jobs outsourcing

    Fine.

    Now, he doesn't complain a solitary word about the propriety of assuming a massive new healthcare overhaul nut at this time. He doesn't whine about the unwillingness of the American people to do the outsourced jobs for wages that makes their labor worthwhile to employers or the ever-expanding welfare state (not just on the federal level, but even more so on the state level).

    There's plenty of blame left for liberal policies for the problems Mr. Stockman laments. Extending the Bush tax cuts would be reckless, I agree. But let's not pretend the liberals are totally blameless here. Bush never presided over a $1.3 trillion budget deficit, or anything in its ballpark.

    Oh, and blaming national debts on floating currencies is like blaming drunk driving on the invention of the automobile.
  10. 13 Aug '10 13:36 / 2 edits
    The main thing that has destroyed the economy was the reckless housing bubble (and the various other spending sprees) and everyone who borrowed too much money to get in on this feeding frenzy. Anyone and any party who points a finger of blame for this is pointing three fingers at themselves.

    We've ALL played a role in creating this mess - and we ALL will need to play a role in getting ourselves out of it.
  11. 13 Aug '10 13:56 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    Right. The 4 biggest reasons for our massive deficits are:

    - floating currencies
    - public debt
    - "unproductive" financial sector
    - jobs outsourcing

    Fine.

    Now, he doesn't complain a solitary word about the propriety of assuming a massive new healthcare overhaul nut at this time. He doesn't whine about the unwillingness of the American people to do th s on floating currencies is like blaming drunk driving on the invention of the automobile.
    Lies!! Everything is "W" fault, but I think that is only common sense.

    Its all "W"'s fault!! His "stimulus packages" via massive spending landed us where we are at. Of course, Obama seems to think he did not spend enough.

    Ok, so we have had Larry, Curly, and now we are awaiting Moe to take residence in the Oval office..
  12. 13 Aug '10 13:58
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    The main thing that has destroyed the economy was the reckless housing bubble (and the various other spending sprees) and everyone who borrowed too much money to get in on this feeding frenzy. Anyone and any party who points a finger of blame for this is pointing three fingers at themselves.

    We've ALL played a role in creating this mess - and we ALL will need to play a role in getting ourselves out of it.
    Lies!! Its all "W"'s fault!!

    How many times do we have to tell ya?
  13. 13 Aug '10 14:04
    Originally posted by whodey
    Lies!! Its all "W"'s fault!!

    How many times do we have to tell ya?
    we could always go back to the 1980's playbook and blame it all on Carter
  14. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    13 Aug '10 14:32
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    we could always go back to the 1980's playbook and blame it all on Carter
    Or really push the boat out and blame it all on 'statists'. Or goblins. Amounts to the same thing by any rational standard.
  15. 13 Aug '10 14:33
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    So the dermocrats are a pistol. I think your eyes are slowly opening, thumbs up for TJ.
    You sound like a guy getting beat senseless with a ball-peen hammer who stops his assailant to announce that he's proven hammers are effective tools. When people are hungry all this stupid crap about Keynes and Rand won't matter. A purge is coming.