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    The real agenda is this: They say of dems, tax and spend. Republicans: Cut and Screw.
    They deliberately cut taxes not especially for even corporations but a deeper more cynical motive:
    They WANT huge deficits which BTW is close to one TRILLION dollars which means their next step is to cut entitlements which is their hidden goal, just lying out their ass to get the tax cuts KNOWING the deficit will go way up, the lying bastards knew that full well when they talked about the economy growing so much that expansion will pay for the cuts but that was just a cynical ploy, they could care less about the deficit, ONLY about the result after that 100% chance the deficit would go into the trillion dollar area. THEN the only solution (according to the fukking republicans) is to cut entitlements which is what they were after for the last 40 years.
    Social security, medicare and medicaid out the window, fuk the common folk, but hey, they will take that money and make the military even bigger than it is now.

    THAT is the republican agenda.
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    @sonhouse said
    The real agenda is this: They say of dems, tax and spend. Republicans: Cut and Screw.
    They deliberately cut taxes not especially for even corporations but a deeper more cynical motive:
    They WANT huge deficits which BTW is close to one TRILLION dollars which means their next step is to cut entitlements which is their hidden goal, just lying out their ass to get the tax ...[text shortened]... take that money and make the military even bigger than it is now.

    THAT is the republican agenda.
    and it's hidden? 😀
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    and it's hidden? 😀
    That's what they want people to think, they want really stupid people to not realize what is going on, say about 200 million or so.
    It's called abrogation of responsibility, responsibility to their constituents but republicans could care less about the folks who elected them. The ONLY thing they are interested in is how much power can they accumulate.
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    @sonhouse said
    The real agenda is this: They say of dems, tax and spend. Republicans: Cut and Screw.
    They deliberately cut taxes not especially for even corporations but a deeper more cynical motive:
    They WANT huge deficits which BTW is close to one TRILLION dollars which means their next step is to cut entitlements which is their hidden goal, just lying out their ass to get the tax ...[text shortened]... take that money and make the military even bigger than it is now.

    THAT is the republican agenda.
    Fools! I not suppose to admit this, but the real goal of the GOP is to deny everyone around the world health care.

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    @whodey said
    Fools! I not suppose to admit this, but the real goal of the GOP is to deny everyone around the world health care.

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    I think their goal is to stop income tax completely and go back to the 18th century model of government, no help for ANYONE but by god, they have a GREAT military.
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    @sonhouse said
    That's what they want people to think, they want really stupid people to not realize what is going on, say about 200 million or so.
    It's called abrogation of responsibility, responsibility to their constituents but republicans could care less about the folks who elected them. The ONLY thing they are interested in is how much power can they accumulate.
    Two links. First, McConnell states the obvious, which is that failure to address entitlement reform is a bipartisan problem caused by two political parties afraid to touch the popular programs of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid that make up about 70% of federal spending. He believes we'll need a divided government to tackle it.

    “It’s disappointing, but it’s not a Republican problem,” McConnell said Tuesday in an interview with Bloomberg News when asked about the rising deficits and debt. “It’s a bipartisan problem: unwillingness to address the real drivers of the debt by doing anything to adjust those programs to the demographics of America in the future.”

    McConnell’s remarks came a day after the Treasury Department said the U.S. budget deficit grew to $779 billion in Donald Trump’s first full fiscal year as president, the result of the GOP’s tax cuts, bipartisan spending increases and rising interest payments on the national debt. That’s a 77 percent increase from the $439 billion deficit in fiscal 2015, when McConnell became majority leader.

    McConnell said it would be “very difficult to do entitlement reform, and we’re talking about Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid,” with one party in charge of Congress and the White House.

    “I think it’s pretty safe to say that entitlement changes, which is the real driver of the debt by any objective standard, may well be difficult if not impossible to achieve when you have unified government,” McConnell said.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-16/mcconnell-blames-entitlements-not-gop-for-rising-deficits

    And let's go to IBD for a little sanity on the effect of the GOP tax reform:

    Overall, federal revenues came in slightly higher in FY 2018 — up 0.5%.

    Spending, on the other hand, was $127 billion higher in fiscal 2018. As a result, deficits for 2018 climbed $113 billion.

    Let's compare these results with Obama's last full fiscal year in office, 2016.

    Individual income tax revenues went up by a mere 0.3%, Treasury data show. Fiscal 2016 also saw a 13% drop in corporate income taxes. FICA tax collections climbed by less than 1%. Excise tax collections dropped almost 3%.

    Overall revenues increased by 0.5% — about the same as this year. The deficit? It climbed by $148 billion.

    So, in other words, the government did better on revenues and deficits in the year after Trump's tax cuts went into effect than it did in Obama's last year in office.

    Trump Tax Cuts To Blame For Deficit?

    To this, critics say, yes, but revenues would have climbed faster had it not been for the tax cuts, because the economy was booming in 2018, unlike in 2016.

    Not necessarily.

    Yes, the economy was booming in fiscal 2018. But it probably wouldn't have been booming without the tax cuts. Had Trump not succeeded in getting his pro-growth tax cuts across the finish line, it's possible we'd have seen a year like Obama's last one. A sluggish economy, barely increasing federal revenues, and a large increase in deficits.

    Does that mean Trump's tax cuts are fully "paying for themselves"? We wouldn't make that argument. But the faster economic growth is clearly offsetting at least some of their costs — which is precisely what backers said would happen.

    What is unmistakable from the data, however, is that the Trump tax cuts are not entirely, or even mostly, responsible for the increase in the deficit. Blame for that rests squarely with spendthrifts in Congress — on both sides of the aisle — who refuse to bring federal spending under control.

    So, the question is: Would it have been better to have kept taxes high, and sacrificed economic, job and wage gains we've been enjoying, so that the government could have collected a little bit more in taxes?


    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-federal-revenues-deficits/
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    @sleepyguy said
    Two links. First, McConnell states the obvious, which is that failure to address entitlement reform is a bipartisan problem caused by two political parties afraid to touch the popular programs of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid that make up about 70% of federal spending. He believes we'll need a divided government to tackle it.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti ...[text shortened]... ins we've been enjoying, so that the government could have collected a little bit more in taxes?[/i]
    A LITTLE MORE? are you fukking daft. We are talking about the deliberate agenda to raise the deficit VIA a tax cut. That was not accidental, that WAS the agenda so they could FORCE entitlements to be cut, preferably to zero as far as Repubs are concerned. What about YOU Sleepy guy? What are you going to do when you get to age 70 or maybe by then the age to collect SS is 85, and people get half of what they get now. That going to be ok with your 70 YO self? You figure anyone who retires now has to work pumping gas or stomping down boxes at Walmart at minimum wage just to be able to stay in his apartment when he is 80?

    THAT is what republicans HATE, having to actually take care of PEOPLE. What they WANT is an empire to rule the world like ancient Rome. They LOVE the Roman model, huge military, fuk the people. But they get to rule the world.
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    @sonhouse said
    A LITTLE MORE? are you fukking daft. We are talking about the deliberate agenda to raise the deficit VIA a tax cut. That was not accidental, that WAS the agenda so they could FORCE entitlements to be cut, preferably to zero as far as Repubs are concerned. What about YOU Sleepy guy? What are you going to do when you get to age 70 or maybe by then the age to collect SS is 85, ...[text shortened]... ient Rome. They LOVE the Roman model, huge military, fuk the people. But they get to rule the world.
    Here let me respond in a way that may resonate with you.

    Rant rant rant. Rant RANT rant rant!

    RANT RANT! Fukking UNHINGED RANT!

    RANT!!
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    @sleepyguy said
    Two links. First, McConnell states the obvious, which is that failure to address entitlement reform is a bipartisan problem caused by two political parties afraid to touch the popular programs of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid that make up about 70% of federal spending. He believes we'll need a divided government to tackle it.

    “It’s disappointing, but it’s no ...[text shortened]... axes?

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-federal-revenues-deficits/
    Wow, so a Republican politician and a pro-Republican editorial are claiming that Trumponomics is working. I guess that refutes all of the experts who are claiming otherwise. Never mind that loads of countries with vastly more generous welfare schemes and stronger economies in Europe are running government surpluses, the U.S. couldn't possibly learn anything from them.
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    @sonhouse
    Also, here's some helpful info for your retirement.

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    @sonhouse said
    I think their goal is to stop income tax completely and go back to the 18th century model of government, no help for ANYONE but by god, they have a GREAT military.
    Er....um.....hate to break it to ya, but that great army was a direct result of collectivists like Wilson and FDR and the centralization of government. Before WW1 the US military was virtually nonexistent.

    Ever since that time, the US has seemingly been in a nonstop war around the globe............except maybe for Trump.

    Thanks Progressives.

    When Progressives are not killing people around the globe, they are killing unborn babies.
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    @whodey said
    Er....um.....hate to break it to ya, but that great army was a direct result of collectivists like Wilson and FDR and the centralization of government. Before WW1 the US military was virtually nonexistent.

    Ever since that time, the US has seemingly been in a nonstop war around the globe............except maybe for Trump.

    Thanks Progressives.

    When Progressives are not killing people around the globe, they are killing unborn babies.
    Born babies in Yemen might disagree with that assessment.
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    @whodey said
    Er....um.....hate to break it to ya, but that great army was a direct result of collectivists like Wilson and FDR and the centralization of government. Before WW1 the US military was virtually nonexistent.

    Ever since that time, the US has seemingly been in a nonstop war around the globe............except maybe for Trump.

    Thanks Progressives.

    When Progressives are not killing people around the globe, they are killing unborn babies.
    Except Trump? What about Syria?
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    @sleepyguy said
    @sonhouse
    Also, here's some helpful info for your retirement.

    [youtube]Zl6z6HW3bJ8[/youtube]
    Like I said, what about YOUR retirement? Are you ready to wait till you are 80 to be able to collect SS? I guess for a repub like you, you just bite the bullet, take what is offered and feel real thankful you get anything at all.
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    @sonhouse said
    Like I said, what about YOUR retirement? Are you ready to wait till you are 80 to be able to collect SS? I guess for a repub like you, you just bite the bullet, take what is offered and feel real thankful you get anything at all.
    Actually I'm just saving money for retirement. Ever heard of an IRA or 401K? You might want to look into it.
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