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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    08 Mar '11 22:47 / 1 edit
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110308/ts_yblog_theticket/ahead-of-the-2012-campaign-states-debate-voting-rights

    Using possible voter fraud as a cover, the GOP is seeking every possible measure to restrict voting rights for all groups they feel may not wish to vote Republican. College students, and minorities are major targets, and if the GOP gets it's way, many lawful voters will be denied there right to vote. This exclusive "country club" mentality is a hallmark of Americas Conservative party. The GOP leadership knows there chances of making major gains in the election of 2012 are slim, so they wish to better there chances by rigging the elections in there favor. Don't be decieved....this has nothing to do with possible voter fraud, it has only to do with the Republican party winning elections by cheating!
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    08 Mar '11 23:32
    Originally posted by bill718
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110308/ts_yblog_theticket/ahead-of-the-2012-campaign-states-debate-voting-rights

    Using possible voter fraud as a cover, the GOP is seeking every possible measure to restrict voting rights for all groups they feel may not wish to vote Republican. College students, and minorities are major targets, and if the GOP ge ...[text shortened]... ible voter fraud, it has only to do with the Republican party winning elections by cheating!
    Illegal immigrants and dead people hardest hit.
  3. 08 Mar '11 23:40
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Illegal immigrants and dead people hardest hit.
    yep, the non-citizens are being denied the right to vote it's a crying shame
  4. 09 Mar '11 08:31
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Illegal immigrants and dead people hardest hit.
    what will Chicago do, if these sorts of people are denied the right to vote?
  5. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    09 Mar '11 16:06
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Illegal immigrants and dead people hardest hit.
    Oh...that's right! College students and minorities are either illegals or dead people, and have no right to vote (I always forget that.)
  6. 09 Mar '11 16:22
    Originally posted by bill718
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110308/ts_yblog_theticket/ahead-of-the-2012-campaign-states-debate-voting-rights

    Using possible voter fraud as a cover, the GOP is seeking every possible measure to restrict voting rights for all groups they feel may not wish to vote Republican. College students, and minorities are major targets, and if the GOP ge ...[text shortened]... ible voter fraud, it has only to do with the Republican party winning elections by cheating!
  7. 09 Mar '11 19:29
    Originally posted by bill718
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110308/ts_yblog_theticket/ahead-of-the-2012-campaign-states-debate-voting-rights

    Using possible voter fraud as a cover, the GOP is seeking every possible measure to restrict voting rights for all groups they feel may not wish to vote Republican. College students, and minorities are major targets, and if the GOP ge ...[text shortened]... ible voter fraud, it has only to do with the Republican party winning elections by cheating!
    "Boosted by major electoral gains in state legislatures nationwide in the 2010 campaign, Republican lawmakers in 32 states are pushing measures that would require citizens to show a state identification or proof of citizenship to vote..."

    In other words this is a non-story...
  8. 09 Mar '11 19:33
    Originally posted by bill718
    Oh...that's right! College students and minorities are either illegals or dead people, and have no right to vote (I always forget that.)
    Im surprised to see nobody has perceived the almost offensive implication that minorities are incapable producing documents proving their citizenship.
  9. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    09 Mar '11 19:38
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    Im surprised to see nobody has perceived the almost offensive implication that minorities are incapable producing documents proving their citizenship.
    Or why minorities that are incapable of producing such documentation are perceived to vote for Democrats.

    Why oh why would that be?
  10. 09 Mar '11 19:47
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Or why minorities that are incapable of producing such documentation are perceived to vote for Democrats.

    Why oh why would that be?
    Like students who don't have state ids for the states they are at school in?

    These are laws that are saying that students (yes, CITIZENS) who normally could use student IDs can no longer use that as a form of ID.

    Of course, you just suggest that it's all about illegal aliens when it isn't at all.

    Who cares if students don't get a chance to vote? They must be illegal immigrants or dead if they don't have a driver's license for the state where they are at school.
  11. 09 Mar '11 20:40
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Illegal immigrants and dead people hardest hit.
    civil registry
  12. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    09 Mar '11 20:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Like students who don't have state ids for the states they are at school in?

    These are laws that are saying that students (yes, CITIZENS) who normally could use student IDs can no longer use that as a form of ID.

    Of course, you just suggest that it's all about illegal aliens when it isn't at all.

    Who cares if students don't get a chance to vot ...[text shortened]... ants or dead if they don't have a driver's license for the state where they are at school.
    Hm, OK, so if they aren't permanent residents ... what's the problem? Can't they just vote absentee for their home state? That's what deployed military personnel have to do. Or does doing what everyone else has to do = voter suppression if that particular group tends to vote for Democrats?
  13. 09 Mar '11 20:52 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Hm, OK, so if they aren't permanent residents ... what's the problem? Can't they just vote absentee for their home state? That's what deployed military personnel have to do. Or does doing what everyone else has to do = voter suppression if that particular group tends to vote for Democrats?
    Why is it that whenever someone criticizes the restriction of voting rights people assume falsely that it's because they want illegal immigrants or dead people to be able to vote?

    I have no problem with deployed personnel being able to vote in Iraq...oh wait, it's not actually a US state yet is it? If military personnel are deployed in Florida then they should be able to vote in Florida. If they are deployed in a US state then they should be able to vote in that state.

    Students already do what everyone else has to do - register to vote where they intend to vote.

    I know, it's a coincidence that a republican governor is trying to prevent a group that normally votes democratic from voting in their state under the guise of preventing voter fraud where there is no significant evidence that there is a voter fraud problem. Those darned coincidences!
  14. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    09 Mar '11 22:48
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    It's great to see people willing to pay the price of eternal vigilance to protect their freedoms
  15. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    09 Mar '11 23:48 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Why is it that whenever someone criticizes the restriction of voting rights people assume falsely that it's because they want illegal immigrants or dead people to be able to vote?

    Because of stuff like this report from the Colorado Secretary of State.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/50308209/Colorado-SOS-report-on-noncitizens

    (..bottom of page 4.)
    Of the 11,805 people who showed a non-citizen credential when they received their driver’s licenses, 4,947 -- or 41.9% -- voted in the 2010 general election. By comparison, 55.5% of all registered voters turned out to vote in the 2010 election, as noted in the table below:

    --chart--

    As noted earlier, The Department of State does not know if a person became a citizen after obtaining a driver’s license or identification card. Similarly, a non-citizen may have been improperly registered to vote, but may have later become a citizen and legally voted. For the reasons discussed above, however, it is likely that many of the 4,947 voters were not citizens when they cast their vote in 2010.

    And also stuff like this from a whistle blower at the DOJ.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/lawlessness-at-the-doj-voting-section-told-not-to-enforce-purging-the-dead-or-ineligible-from-voting-rolls/

    A lesser-known provision also obliged the states to ensure that no ineligible voters were on the rolls — including dead people, felons, and people who had moved. Our current Department of Justice is anxious to encourage the obligations to get everyone registered, but explicitly unwilling to enforce federal law requiring states to remove the dead or ineligible from the rolls.

    In November 2009, the entire Voting Section was invited to a meeting with Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes, a political employee serving at the pleasure of the attorney general. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss Motor Voter enforcement decisions.

    The room was packed with dozens of Voting Section employees when she made her announcement regarding the provisions related to voter list integrity:

    We have no interest in enforcing this provision of the law. It has nothing to do with increasing turnout, and we are just not going to do it.

    Jaws dropped around the room.


    Students already do what everyone else has to do - register to vote where they intend to vote.

    Yeah, sometimes once in each state.

    HAMPTON -- Michael Wade, Chairman of the Third Congressional District Republican Committee, has begun delivering to general registrars and local electoral boards across Virginia the names and identifying information of hundreds of college students who are suspected of intending to vote twice in the upcoming presidential election: once in person in Virginia, and once by absentee ballot in a State of prior registration.

    Specifically, each of the students on Wade's list is newly registered to vote in Virginia this year. But each also has requested -- and received -- an absentee ballot from the State in which they previously were registered to vote. In many cases, the student's registration in Virginia and request for an absentee ballot from another State were mere days apart.

    "In a State which just three years ago had a statewide election decided by 367 votes out of over two million cast, this is an extremely troubling revelation," said Wade.

    All those coincidences!