10 Mar 10
Originally posted by Hugh GlassI don't know, but I would assume changing anything, even a molecule would require going through the entire process again for FDA approval, which can take years. Also, I'm not a biochemist but I doubt it's as simple as changing a molecule but keeping the exact same properties.
When a Drug manufacturer is granted a Patent on a new drug,, how long is that good for? When that patent runs out, can they change the composition by 1 molecule, and maintain their original patent..
Also, if the drug has already proven effective over the course of several or more years - who cares if the drug company changes something? Other companies can still copy the ingredients on what they've been making and put it to market.
10 Mar 10
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperbecause my friend, aricle VII Improving Access to Innovative Medical therapies
I don't know, but I would assume changing anything, even a molecule would require going through the entire process again for FDA approval, which can take years. Also, I'm not a biochemist but I doubt it's as simple as changing a molecule but keeping the exact same properties.
Also, if the drug has already proven effective over the course of sev ...[text shortened]... r companies can still copy the ingredients on what they've been making and put it to market.
"We will enforce the companies to provide safe and affordable generic versions of drugs on the market.. As I stated in my post from the white house.
Are they going to challenge patent laws?
I have 4 drugs now that are patented and expensive,,, so I guess i'll be getting anew generic soon... Tell me, how can that be done in 2400 pages or less;;;;_)
10 Mar 10
Originally posted by Hugh GlassRead Patent rights,, once you had Ambien,,, soon afterward Ambien CR,,, they added to it, thus making a generic impossible for even longer.
because my friend, aricle VII Improving Access to Innovative Medical therapies
"We will enforce the companies to provide safe and affordable generic versions of drugs on the market.. As I stated in my post from the white house.
Are they going to challenge patent laws?
I have 4 drugs now that are patented and expensive,,, so I guess i'll be getting anew generic soon... Tell me, how can that be done in 2400 pages or less;;;;_)
This is why,, nothing will happen right away troop, can you see the battle ahead with this issue alone,, patent laws?
Inch by inch it's a cinch,, we need to swallow this a bite at a time
10 Mar 10
Originally posted by Hugh Glass"one bite at a time"
Read Patent rights,, once you had Ambien,,, soon afterward Ambien CR,,, they added to it, thus making a generic impossible for even longer.
This is why,, nothing will happen right away troop, can you see the battle ahead with this issue alone,, patent laws?
Inch by inch it's a cinch,, we need to swallow this a bite at a time
"OMG 2400 pages!"
I'm willing to bet I can find somewhere where you've said, "jamming this bill down our throats" "Obamacare" , "start from scratch and/or clean sheet of paper" etc. etc.
Is there a single GOP poll tested talking point, word or phrase that you are unwilling to repeat?
10 Mar 10
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI'd be happy, if you would just answer the question regarding Title VII Improving Access to Innovative Medical Therapies,, how does that happen?
"one bite at a time"
"OMG 2400 pages!"
I'm willing to bet I can find somewhere where you've said, "jamming this bill down our throats" "Obamacare" , "start from scratch and/or clean sheet of paper" etc. etc.
Is there a single GOP poll tested talking point, word or phrase that you are unwilling to repeat?
Re-write patent laws, or bog down in court lawsuits,, first go read it
so you know what I am saying,,please?
or just sit back with the rest of us stupid republcians.
I short, how do we force drug companies to come up with generics of a patented drug????
Sorry, one of your previous posts indicated to me, that you had read this article,, and that 70 % of us were too stupid to understand it apparently you are not as well versed in it as we thought,, go read it.. move into the light.
How many pages does the Bible have..?
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10 Mar 10
Originally posted by Hugh GlassAll drugs must go thru an FDA approval process to certify their safety and effectiveness. What you and I pay for that actually benefits the whole world. Certainly it also gives us an influence on the practices of the drug companies. So what part of using that influence don't you understand? That is all I see that sentence saying. Rights to a patent can be voluntarily released. The time limit is immaterial to this discussion. I know you are furiously regurgitating right-wing talking points. Please take a moment to actually think before you post. Stupid doesn't come from what you are incapable of understanding; it comes from what you don't try to understand.
I'd be happy, if you would just answer the question regarding Title VII Improving Access to Innovative Medical Therapies,, how does that happen?
Re-write patent laws, or bog down in court lawsuits,, first go read it
so you know what I am saying,,please?
or just sit back with the rest of us stupid republcians.
I short, how do we force drug companies to ...[text shortened]... n it as we thought,, go read it.. move into the light.
How many pages does the Bible have..?
10 Mar 10
Originally posted by Hugh GlassPatents are generally good for 20 years. But the first 5-10 of those are generally spent in development and testing and getting FDA approval.
When a Drug manufacturer is granted a Patent on a new drug,, how long is that good for? When that patent runs out, can they change the composition by 1 molecule, and maintain their original patent..
The window in which a company that spent half a billion dollars developing a drug has to make back its profit before it can be genericized is exceedingly short. Of course, many people want to shorten, weaken or eliminate this patent protection.
All this would do is slow or eliminate the development of useful drugs, of course.
Next time anyone wants to complain at the big bad drug companies charging $5 for a pill that costs them 1 cent to make, just remember that the first pill probably cost 500 million dollars.
10 Mar 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackYou obviously didn't take time to read Obamas plan did you, or you wouldn;t have spewed out that il-informed post. Shame on you for spewing out false information.
All drugs must go thru an FDA approval process to certify their safety and effectiveness. What you and I pay for that actually benefits the whole world. Certainly it also gives us an influence on the practices of the drug companies. So what part of using that influence don't you understand? That is all I see that sentence saying. Rights to a patent can ...[text shortened]... from what you are incapable of understanding; it comes from what you don't try to understand.
Once again,, article VII which is CALLEDIMPROVING ACCESS TO INNOVATIVE MEDICAL THERAPIES.
They call for companies to release drugs to make generic versions of drugs for the market.. I ask, does that by-pass current patent rights for the Drug maker who invented that drug,,,, if so, how will thos edrug companies react? Will they simply stop their R & D, or move somewhere out of the country.
Now let your mind chew on that, it's right on the White House web site. I'll spare you any more insults, obviously you don't fully understand the bill and it's consequences.. OH my sO TO MAKE THIS REAL SIMPLE FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS TIME...i PICKED THAT OFF oBAMAS OWN LIPS, AS CLOSE AS i COULD REACH,, ARE YOU LITERATE?
10 Mar 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackDitto, I will read this bill line by line. next is the medicare doughnut hole.. do you understand the fix for that. There are several ideas, including Barrys own,
All drugs must go thru an FDA approval process to certify their safety and effectiveness. What you and I pay for that actually benefits the whole world. Certainly it also gives us an influence on the practices of the drug companies. So what part of using that influence don't you understand? That is all I see that sentence saying. Rights to a patent can ...[text shortened]... from what you are incapable of understanding; it comes from what you don't try to understand.
now don't come back here, without reading it, and accusing me of being a right wing fear monger. Cause there is a problem there too, maybe you can find it??
10 Mar 10
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/proposal/titlei
Here you go Jack, please notice where this comes from ok?
I get tired of spoon feeding you like a baby, and having porridge spit back at me.
Observe and absorb please, then try saying something intelligent. Not all of this Bill is bad, someparts are great.... should be, for the amount of time spend hammering out details.... still,, how is it to be paid for? What concrete formula is used? Answer, think hard jack
10 Mar 10
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wow, I just got an answer from the president. But, it must have just been a standard form letter, because he waltzed around my exact questions, with the same rhetoric that was in Nancy De Pauls e-mail yesterday,, but then, isn't he in Missouri today?
So I guess he thinks I'm stupid too USA ARMY PARATROOPER
Most Americans are really smart enough to see a rotten deal when it comes to them.
Only 722 complaints regestered as of today in fraudulent stimulus money paid,, wow, wonder what that cost the tax payers.. IE YOU AND I
11 Mar 10
Originally posted by Hugh GlassDude, your mouse is your friend. Nowhere in there is anything about removing patents for drug makers.
because my friend, aricle VII Improving Access to Innovative Medical therapies
"We will enforce the companies to provide safe and affordable generic versions of drugs on the market.. As I stated in my post from the white house.
Are they going to challenge patent laws?
I have 4 drugs now that are patented and expensive,,, so I guess i'll be getting anew generic soon... Tell me, how can that be done in 2400 pages or less;;;;_)
Title VII. Improving Access to Innovative Medical Therapies
Ending Pay-for-Delay
Saves money for consumers and taxpayers by ending the collusion between pharmaceutical companies where companies with brand name drugs pay companies who make generic drugs to keep the generic drug off the market.
Title VII. Improving Access to Innovative Medical Therapies
Extending the Discount Drug Program
The Act extends discounts on drugs to hospitals and communities that serve low-income patients.
Title VII. Improving Access to Innovative Medical Therapies
Promoting Biologics Price Competition and Innovation
The Act creates a new pathway to create generic versions of biological products so that Americans have access to effective, lower-cost alternatives.
11 Mar 10
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperYou think drug makers arent standing in line with their own drug as soon as a patent expires? Ah yes,, check out MS drugs? But companie changes one molecule,or formula changes and they fight to keep the patent.. Example Ambien becomes Ambien CR. Real hard to get on insurance for less that 70 bucks co.
Dude, your mouse is your friend. Nowhere in there is anything about removing patents for drug makers.
Title VII. Improving Access to Innovative Medical Therapies
Ending Pay-for-Delay
Saves money for consumers and taxpayers by ending the collusion between pharmaceutical companies where companies with brand name drugs pay companies who make g ...[text shortened]... ions of biological products so that Americans have access to effective, lower-cost alternatives.
So how do they plan to pull that off..... maybe copaxone, Ambien, Avonex, Tysabri Rebif will all suddenly become cheaper?