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  1. 07 May '10 17:09 / 1 edit
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20100507/cm_rcp/quotthere_will_be_no_apologyquot

    "There Will Be No Apology"

    RealClearPolitics.com

    Tom Bevan Tom Bevan – Fri May 7, 1:00 am ET

    Those are the words of the mother of Matt Dariano, one of the five kids at Live Oak High School in the San Francisco Bay Area who were sent home for having the temerity to wear American flag tee shirts on the "Mexican heritage day" of Cinco de Mayo.

    "There will not be an apology," Mrs. Dariano told the camera crew outside the school. "Matthew is part Hispanic, OK? He's an American. So, no, there will be no apology from any Dariano."

    Guess who else uttered the exact same phrase last year? James Crowley, the white Cambridge cop who arrested black Harvard professor Louis Gates, Jr. and was singled out in a nationally televised press conference by President Obama for "acting stupidly."

    ...



    http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15030582?source=most_viewed

    Morgan Hill: Teen athletes entangled in debate over U.S. flag clothing

    By Lisa Fernandez and Bruce Newman

    Mercury News
    Posted: 05/06/2010 08:06:07 AM PDT
    Updated: 05/06/2010 10:26:44 PM PDT

    Four students exposed raw feelings about race and immigration in a Morgan Hill high school this week when they made the provocative choice to wear shirts and shorts bearing the stars and stripes of the American flag to school on Cinco de Mayo.

    Now their actions — which an assistant principal at Live Oak High School labeled "incendiary" — are spilling across the small town's borders, igniting a national debate on cable television's 24-hour talkfest.

    Wednesday, as the school's Latino pupils — nearly 40 percent of the Live Oak student body — were celebrating the Mexican army's victory against France in 1862, many wearing Mexico's colors of red, white and green, the boys showed up dressed in the American flag. Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez told them to wear the clothes inside out or go home. At least two of the boys left campus because they found the other option to be "disrespectful" to the flag, and the others remained in school without changing, their parents said.

    ....
  2. 07 May '10 17:10
    somewhat odd the Yahoo article headlines with "San Francisco"; Morgan Hill is about 70 miles away and on the other side of San Jose.
  3. 07 May '10 17:13
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20100507/cm_rcp/quotthere_will_be_no_apologyquot

    "There Will Be No Apology"

    RealClearPolitics.com

    Tom Bevan Tom Bevan – Fri May 7, 1:00 am ET

    Those are the words of the mother of Matt Dariano, one of the five kids at Live Oak High School in the San Francisco Bay Area who were sent home for having the te ...[text shortened]... the others remained in school without changing, their parents said.

    ....
    who cares?
  4. 07 May '10 17:15
    I don't understand the big deal, who are they offending by wearing a flag?
  5. 07 May '10 17:27
    the Hispanic students wearing Cinco de Mayo garb think the white and half-Hispanic students are disrespecting them by countering their message by wearing USA garb.

    brook no dissent and all that.
  6. 07 May '10 17:33
    don't know if you have the same situation there anywhere, but here lots of schools have bans on particular types or colors of clothing due to gang problems.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_colors
  7. 07 May '10 17:58
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    don't know if you have the same situation there anywhere, but here lots of schools have bans on particular types or colors of clothing due to gang problems.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_colors
    sounds stupid to me.

    why the hell should the school take such ridiculous measures?
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 May '10 18:01
    The school is out of line. Mexico doesn't even take cinco de Mayo very seriously, and Chicanos are Americans.

    Schools with problems with gang attire generally require uniforms now. Why should schools bother? So nobody does a drive by on the school.
  9. 07 May '10 18:18
    yeah, what ATY said.

    and to avoid fights (and killings) in school and on the way home.

    isn't your health and survival questionable if you are caught in the wrong neighborhood with the wrong color?

    i can see the asst principal's point. probably he made the right decision, except maybe he should have given them the option to pick clothing from some spares reserved for the purpose or from lost and found.
  10. 07 May '10 18:56
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    isn't your health and survival questionable if you are caught in the wrong neighborhood with the wrong color?
    Is it?
  11. 07 May '10 18:58 / 1 edit
    Easy solution. Schools should ban ALL T-shirts and similar types of clothing. What you wear at school should be different from what you wear when you're hanging out at the mall.

    Almost every time one of these controversies erupts, the clothing is always the sort of thing that few businesses would want their employees to wear, even on casual Friday.
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 May '10 19:13
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    Easy solution. Schools should ban ALL T-shirts and similar types of clothing. What you wear at school should be different from what you wear when you're hanging out at the mall.

    Almost every time one of these controversies erupts, the clothing is always the sort of thing that few businesses would want their employees to wear, even on casual Friday.
    Uniforms are the easy solution.
  13. 07 May '10 20:29
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Is it?
    i was thinking ATY might answer from the hood.

    don't they still wear clogs to school in your neighborhood?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NativegirlsMarkenIslandHolland1890-1900.png
  14. 07 May '10 20:30
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Uniforms are the easy solution.
    nudity would be much more aesthetic, and provide an incentive to maintain a healthy weight.
  15. 07 May '10 21:50
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    somewhat odd the Yahoo article headlines with "San Francisco"; Morgan Hill is about 70 miles away and on the other side of San Jose.
    No, it said "San Francisco Bay Area" of which San Jose is a part of.