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  1. 29 Sep '09 23:13
    Defenders of Roman Polanski have not minced words in their criticism of L.A. prosecutors for arresting the director three decades after he fled the U.S. before being sentenced for sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner called Polanski's arrest a "bit sinister."
    His agent, Jeff Berg, has said that justice has already been served in the Polanski case.

    Directors Martin Scorsese, David Lynch and Woody Allen are among dozens in the film industry to sign a petition calling for the immediate release of Polanski. Academy-Award winning film producer Harvey Weinstein, also a signatory to the petition, wrote in the UK Indpendent calling the original plea deal in Polanski's case a "miscarriage of justice."

    "Whatever you think about the so-called crime, Polanski has served his time," Weinstein wrote.

    But such comments don't sit well with advocates of sexual abuse victims, who think Polanski's supporters in their zeal to free Polanski are sending the wrong message and downplaying the seriousness of the crime.

    "Most troubling to me is that people just don’t understand the impact a crime like this has on a 13-year-old girl, and the fact that he has made some fabulous films is utterly irrelevant," said Katie Buckland, executive director of the California Women's Law Center. "It sends a message that the rich and powerful can get away with crimes that no one else can get away with."

    Are these people out of their minds? My opinion yes.On the View yesterday Whoppi Goldberg was defending Polanski by hemming and hawing saying things like "it was not rape-rape".
    The facts are a 42 yr old man drugs a 13yr old girl and has sex w/her.
    After pleading guilty he fled the U.S.
    30 yrs later he is apprehended.

    Should this man pay for his crime? Are his supporters just in saying that he is somehow a victim?

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/roman-polanski-backers-sending-wrong-message-about-rape-minimizing-directors-crimes-critics-say.
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Sep '09 23:26
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Defenders of Roman Polanski have not minced words in their criticism of L.A. prosecutors for arresting the director three decades after he fled the U.S. before being sentenced for sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner called Polanski's arrest a "bit sinister."
    His agent, Jeff Berg, has said that justice has ...[text shortened]... ckers-sending-wrong-message-about-rape-minimizing-directors-crimes-critics-say.
    Well, obviously, just because he drugged and raped a 13 year old and then fled justice for 30 years, doesn't mean he should be imprisoned or anything. Justice has already been served. Didn't you read what his agent said? Don't you know he's a famous artist?

    What's the matter with you? What are you, some kind of Hollywood hating conservative?
  3. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    29 Sep '09 23:32
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Should this man pay for his crime?
    Yes. He should get the same punishment that any other scumbag would get for the anal rape of a 13 year old, plus extra time for being a fugitive from justice.
  4. 29 Sep '09 23:35
    Originally posted by sh76
    Well, obviously, just because he drugged and raped a 13 year old and then fled justice for 30 years, doesn't mean he should be imprisoned or anything. Justice has already been served. Didn't you read what his agent said? Don't you know he's a famous artist?

    What's the matter with you? What are you, some kind of Hollywood hating conservative?
    Good humor!
  5. 29 Sep '09 23:36
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Yes. He should get the same punishment that any other scumbag would get for the anal rape of a 13 year old, plus extra time for being a fugitive from justice.
    Agreed!
  6. Standard member Fleabitten
    Love thy bobblehead
    29 Sep '09 23:46
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    "Most troubling to me is that people just don’t understand the impact a crime like this has on a 13-year-old girl, and the fact that he has made some fabulous films is utterly irrelevant," said Katie Buckland, executive director of the California Women's Law Center.
    What should be most troubling is that the people defending Polanski most likely do understand the impact of his crime and just don't care because he happens to be one of their own.
  7. 30 Sep '09 00:35
    The Polanski supporters are out of their freakin' minds.
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    30 Sep '09 01:10
    The cult of celebrity can lead to grotesque distortions of what is right and wrong and what is real and unreal. Cultures that are mainlining on it day in day out cannot expect to experience good mass mental health. Defenders of Roman Polanski seem to have some kind of some people are more equal than others thing going on here. Presumably the legal system is neither starry eyed nor intoxicated by a string of fabulous films. That's good. Tall poppies often provide the purest opium. I'm quite happy to see Polanski's backers from the world of luvvies dash themselves on the rocks over this. I am a veteran Hollywood agent myself, and I will be quite pointedly not representing Martin Scorsese, David Lynch and Woody Allen in the near future.
  9. 30 Sep '09 11:00
    Was the sex consensual?
  10. 30 Sep '09 11:08
    Originally posted by FMF
    The cult of celebrity can lead to grotesque distortions of what is right and wrong and what is real and unreal. Cultures that are mainlining on it day in day out cannot expect to experience good mass mental health. Defenders of Roman Polanski seem to have some kind of some people are more equal than others thing going on here. Presumably the legal system ...[text shortened]... edly not representing Martin Scorsese, David Lynch and Woody Allen in the near future.
    Is it merely the cult of celebrity or is it simply the financial means to manipulate the system? I say its a comblination of both.
  11. 30 Sep '09 11:08
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Was the sex consensual?
    Here we go gang!!
  12. 30 Sep '09 11:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Was the sex consensual?
    She was unconcious from a combination of alcohol/pot/qualudes.

    Consensual or not she was 13.
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    30 Sep '09 11:51
    Originally posted by whodey
    Is it merely the cult of celebrity or is it simply the financial means to manipulate the system? I say its a comblination of both.
    It is merely the cult of celebrity. Certain Hollywood stars rallying around Roman Polanski has got nothing to do with the financial means to manipulate the system. Nor does it have anything to do with creeping communism and the end of free speech in Obama's U.S.A.
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    30 Sep '09 11:59
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    She was unconcious from a combination of alcohol/pot/qualudes.

    Consensual or not she was 13.
    How on Earth could that have been allowed to be reduced to a charge of "unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor" by way of plea bargain? It's not as if the child victim was spared having to testify by the lesser charge. What was going on?
  15. 30 Sep '09 12:12
    Originally posted by FMF
    It is merely the cult of celebrity. Certain Hollywood stars rallying around Roman Polanski has got nothing to do with the financial means to manipulate the system. Nor does it have anything to do with creeping communism and the end of free speech in Obama's U.S.A.
    Simply put, you have access to the best lawyers money can buy.