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Russians; No Stomach for Putin's War

Russians; No Stomach for Putin's War

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According to these reports, Russians are surrendering in droves and, even sabotaging their own equipment. https://news.yahoo.com/russian-troops-surrendering-sabotaging-vehicles-130211053.html
.............From New York Times

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@jimm619
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It's from the pentagon so I weigh that into it, too. But I find this interesting:
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And in some cases, Russian troops have deliberately punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat, the official said.
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They further speculate that that could be the reason for the convoy bogging down.

Interestink! 😏

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@earl-of-trumps said
@jimm619
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It's from the pentagon so I weigh that into it, too. But I find this interesting:
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And in some cases, Russian troops have deliberately punched holes in their vehicles’ gas tanks, presumably to avoid combat, the official said.
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They further speculate that that could be the reason for the convoy bogging down.

Interestink! 😏
Defenders have a natural, strategic advantage,
especially when fighting for their homeland.........
I still think we should have sent 'em a wing of F-35's.

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@jimm619 said
According to these reports, Russians are surrendering in droves and, even sabotaging their own equipment. https://news.yahoo.com/russian-troops-surrendering-sabotaging-vehicles-130211053.html
.............From New York Times
NYT propaganda.

Neo Nazis were killing Russian speaking people in Ukraine long before Russia invaded. Many Ukrainians are welcoming the Russians with cheers because Russia has come to defend them from the Nazis.

Your corporate news media is not telling you everything. Why do you think Kiev was changed in spelling? We are even pronouncing it differently now because the news media is. When the Russians claimed that the Nazis were trying to purge the Russian language from Ukraine they were not lying.

Russians are fighting Nazis. Most Russians feel the fight is justified to protect ethnic Russians there.

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@metal-brain said
NYT propaganda.

Neo Nazis were killing Russian speaking people in Ukraine long before Russia invaded. Many Ukrainians are welcoming the Russians with cheers because Russia has come to defend them from the Nazis.

Your corporate news media is not telling you everything. Why do you think Kiev was changed in spelling? We are even pronouncing it differently now because ...[text shortened]... ians are fighting Nazis. Most Russians feel the fight is justified to protect ethnic Russians there.
Why oh why aren't there more reasons to alert a post? Like why not for plain-old, straight-up lying?

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@metal-brain said
NYT propaganda.

Neo Nazis were killing Russian speaking people in Ukraine long before Russia invaded. Many Ukrainians are welcoming the Russians with cheers because Russia has come to defend them from the Nazis.

Your corporate news media is not telling you everything. Why do you think Kiev was changed in spelling? We are even pronouncing it differently now because ...[text shortened]... ians are fighting Nazis. Most Russians feel the fight is justified to protect ethnic Russians there.
So if the population is so for the invasion, why is there so fierce opposition?

Those Ukrainians are not waving Russian flags and welcome the soldiers with flowers and wodka,.

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@ponderable said
So if the population is so for the invasion, why is there so fierce opposition?

Those Ukrainians are not waving Russian flags and welcome the soldiers with flowers and wodka,.
Seemingly it depends where you are in Ukraine.

Ukraine did ban Russian (and Hungarian in the West) as official language in 2017 (I think). Demoting it to regional language.
I.e. Ukrainian is the only language high schools and universities are allowed to teach in (other languages are allowed to be taught though).

Considering some regions don’t have Ukrainian as a first language, that’s kind of nasty.

From wiki:
In 2012 the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) reported that "tolerance towards Jews, Russians and Romani appears to have significantly declined in Ukraine since 2000 and prejudices are also reflected in daily life against other groups, who experience problems in accessing goods and services"

Although I would presume that very few people welcome war, not everyone was enjoying the free and democratic Ukraine as the beacon of selfless love and joy it’s seemingly being made out to be.

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@ponderable said
So if the population is so for the invasion, why is there so fierce opposition?

Those Ukrainians are not waving Russian flags and welcome the soldiers with flowers and wodka,.
It could be happening that the ethnic Russians in Ukraine are welcoming the Russian army in, but we'll never see it
in our media just like we never (or rarely) saw the people of Jalalabad celebrating the return
of the Taliban back into Afghanistan when the US/allies pulled out.

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@metal-brain said
NYT propaganda.

Neo Nazis were killing Russian speaking people in Ukraine long before Russia invaded. Many Ukrainians are welcoming the Russians with cheers because Russia has come to defend them from the Nazis.

Your corporate news media is not telling you everything. Why do you think Kiev was changed in spelling? We are even pronouncing it differently now because ...[text shortened]... ians are fighting Nazis. Most Russians feel the fight is justified to protect ethnic Russians there.
Kremlin propaganda straight from Putin’s stinking lips to MBs stupid fascist ears

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@earl-of-trumps said
It could be happening that the ethnic Russians in Ukraine are welcoming the Russian army in, but we'll never see it
in our media just like we never (or rarely) saw the people of Jalalabad celebrating the return
of the Taliban back into Afghanistan when the US/allies pulled out.
What are you babbling about of course there will be a small minority of Russian ethno fascists welcoming the invasion but the vast vast majority of ethnic Russian Ukrainians are just confused and angry about Russia killing them with shells and missiles because Russia does not have the military machine required to take these cities with boots on the ground.
Ordinary Russians in Russia would be just as angry if the Kremlin dictatorship would let them get a whiff of the reality of what’s going on in Ukraine.
They are killing civilians at range because they now know for a fact that these civilians will resist them unto death if they get close enough and man for man the Ukrainian military will kick their delusional ass.
The only thing that’s saving Putin’s cowardly skin is his nuclear arsenal.

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@kevcvs57 said
What are babbling about of course there will be a small minority of Russian ethno fascists welcoming the invasion but the vast vast majority of ethnic Russian Ukrainians are just confused and angry about Russia killing them with shells and missiles because Russia does not have the military machine required to take these cities with boots on the ground.
Ordinary Russians in ...[text shortened]... eath if they get close enough and man for man the Ukrainian military will kick their delusional ass.
Well said, few things in our world
are strictly black and white.

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