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  1. Standard membervivify
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    11 Apr '17 03:39
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/san-bernardino-school-shooting.html

    SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — Gunfire erupted inside an elementary school classroom in San Bernardino, Calif., on Monday, leaving two adults and one student dead in what the authorities said was an apparent murder-suicide.

    The shooter, whom the police identified as Cedric Anderson, 53, walked into the classroom and without speaking opened fire on his wife, Karen Elaine Smith. Ms. Smith, 53, was the lead teacher in the class of 15 students with special needs, who ranged from first to fourth graders.

    Two students were standing behind Ms. Smith, though the police did not say whether they had been directly hit by gunfire or wounded with shrapnel. An 8-year-old student, Jonathan Martinez, was airlifted by helicopter from the school, North Park Elementary, to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead shortly after he arrived. A 9-year-old student was also wounded and was in stable condition Monday afternoon.

    The shooter entered the school through the front office and was checked for his identification, following routine procedures, the police said. There was no sign Mr. Anderson was carrying a weapon.

    While the couple had been estranged, friends and family had not told the police about any previous violence between the couple, Chief Burguan said. Mr. Anderson did have a criminal record, including domestic violence, weapons possession and possibly drug possession, he said. At least six shots were fired from a .357 caliber revolver, the chief said.
  2. Standard membervivify
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    The 2015 San Bernardino shooting also happened at a facility for special needs people, also involving a husband and wife at the center of the shooting, who also died, along with innocent bystanders.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/
  3. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    11 Apr '17 04:19
    Bizaare.

    What the hell is happening in San Bernadino special care facilities?!
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    11 Apr '17 08:36
    Originally posted by vivify
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/san-bernardino-school-shooting.html

    SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. — Gunfire erupted inside an elementary school classroom in San Bernardino, Calif., on Monday, leaving two adults and one student dead in what the authorities said was an apparent murder-suicide.

    The shooter, whom the police identified as Cedric Anderson, 53, ...[text shortened]... possession, he said. At least six shots were fired from a .357 caliber revolver, the chief said.
    if only his wife had a gun and could see into the future and quicker on the draw than a disturbed man determined to die.

    this tragedy could have been averted.


    funny how these things keep happening in the US and the american way of thinking is to do nothing or lessen the gun laws even further.
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    11 Apr '17 09:56
    How could this happen?

    It is illegal to have a gun on school grounds.
  6. Unknown Territories
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    11 Apr '17 10:52
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    if only his wife had a gun and could see into the future and quicker on the draw than a disturbed man determined to die.

    this tragedy could have been averted.


    funny how these things keep happening in the US and the american way of thinking is to do nothing or lessen the gun laws even further.
    If only we could make the whole world safe, right?
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    11 Apr '17 11:22
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    If only we could make the whole world safe, right?
    no, you nirvana fallacy enthusiast. just safeER.

    construction accidents still happen despite hardhats. car accident fatalities still happen despite seatbelts.

    i had to take a psych test, an eye exam, medical exams before i got my driving license, but every retard or psycho should be allowed a gun, right?
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    11 Apr '17 12:08
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    no, you nirvana fallacy enthusiast. just safeER.

    construction accidents still happen despite hardhats. car accident fatalities still happen despite seatbelts.

    i had to take a psych test, an eye exam, medical exams before i got my driving license, but every retard or psycho should be allowed a gun, right?
    The fallacy is thinking a world without guns, ostensibly safer, is somehow preferred to the semblance of power distribution guns allow.
    Roots of problems, principles of life's aspects are far more important than symptoms, more critical to have set according to aligned priorities than any remedy could hope to be.

    You lump this shooting in with all of the other reported shootings in the US, legitimizing them all but this is not the case: there have been a dozen or so reported shootings which were either staged events or actual false flags all intended to bring about the same reaction as you are suggesting.
    Since people can't be trusted with guns, let's take them away.

    That slow poison leads to slavery, death.
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    11 Apr '17 12:16
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    The fallacy is thinking a world without guns, ostensibly safer, is somehow preferred to the semblance of power distribution guns allow.
    Roots of problems, principles of life's aspects are far more important than symptoms, more critical to have set according to aligned priorities than any remedy could hope to be.

    You lump this shooting in with all of th ...[text shortened]... e can't be trusted with guns, let's take them away.

    That slow poison leads to slavery, death.
    "The fallacy is thinking a world without guns, ostensibly safer, is somehow preferred to the semblance of power distribution guns allow."
    "semblance"

    "You lump this shooting in with all of the other reported shootings in the US, legitimizing them all but this is not the case: there have been a dozen or so reported shootings which were either staged events or actual false flags all intended to bring about the same reaction as you are suggesting."
    before you claim that sandy hook was a hoax again, please go fuk yourself, you disgusting maggot.
  10. Subscribersonhouse
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    11 Apr '17 13:10
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "The fallacy is thinking a world without guns, ostensibly safer, is somehow preferred to the semblance of power distribution guns allow."
    "semblance"

    "You lump this shooting in with all of the other reported shootings in the US, legitimizing them all but this is not the case: there have been a dozen or so reported shootings which were either staged even ...[text shortened]... efore you claim that sandy hook was a hoax again, please go fuk yourself, you disgusting maggot.
    Not just your run of the mill maggot....

    It is well known, the more guns the more people are killed in their homes by their own guns by accident. Funny how lots of countries in the world don't need guns at home and they get along just fine without them. I refuse to have a gun, my dad was killed with one in an armed robbery of their mom and pop store in Palm Springs California.
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    11 Apr '17 13:46
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "The fallacy is thinking a world without guns, ostensibly safer, is somehow preferred to the semblance of power distribution guns allow."
    "semblance"

    "You lump this shooting in with all of the other reported shootings in the US, legitimizing them all but this is not the case: there have been a dozen or so reported shootings which were either staged even ...[text shortened]... efore you claim that sandy hook was a hoax again, please go fuk yourself, you disgusting maggot.
    Thank you for the well-wishes.
    While your emotional connection is commendable, it is akin to crying at the death of Bambi's mom: feels good, but the attachment is based on the reality of human connections, not anything related to an actual deer dying.
    The liars and crooks who sponsor the propaganda staged events such as Sandy Hook will eventually be held accountable.
    You cannot be faulted for believing them... unless, of course, their malfeasance has been brought to your attention and the contradictions are made evident.
    Then, it's all on you.
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    11 Apr '17 13:50
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Not just your run of the mill maggot....

    It is well known, the more guns the more people are killed in their homes by their own guns by accident. Funny how lots of countries in the world don't need guns at home and they get along just fine without them. I refuse to have a gun, my dad was killed with one in an armed robbery of their mom and pop store in Palm Springs California.
    It is well known, the more guns the more people are killed in their homes by their own guns by accident.
    It is also well known: the more popsicle sticks, the more people are killed in their homes by their own popsicle sticks by accident.

    Sorry to hear about your father, but I imagine if he'd been armed, the story would have had a different ending.
  13. Standard membershavixmir
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    11 Apr '17 14:00
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    The fallacy is thinking a world without guns, ostensibly safer, is somehow preferred to the semblance of power distribution guns allow.
    Roots of problems, principles of life's aspects are far more important than symptoms, more critical to have set according to aligned priorities than any remedy could hope to be.

    You lump this shooting in with all of th ...[text shortened]... e can't be trusted with guns, let's take them away.

    That slow poison leads to slavery, death.
    Well... the US does have the most gun related deaths outside of Angola or something...

    One can safely say there's a correlation between owning guns and using them and not owning guns and not using them.

    The fallacy is actually thinking guns or no guns is the problem.
    The problem is fear (lack of rationality) driving action.
    And if you mix guns in with fear, you get the US.
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    11 Apr '17 14:13
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Well... the US does have the most gun related deaths outside of Angola or something...

    One can safely say there's a correlation between owning guns and using them and not owning guns and not using them.

    The fallacy is actually thinking guns or no guns is the problem.
    The problem is fear (lack of rationality) driving action.
    And if you mix guns in with fear, you get the US.
    I agree with the fear part, but the biggest issue facing the US otherwise I would suggest is the lack of consequences for criminal activities.
  15. Standard membervivify
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    11 Apr '17 14:141 edit
    There is such a lack of security at these schools.

    Where I drop my 4 yr old off at, there are heavy metal doors which you can't just break through. However, I've been able to be buzzed in just saying I forgot to leave my son his water bottle, or that I want to drop off a lunch to him that I bought. They just let me in. Even tthough they have cameras, unless I'm obviously carrying an assault rifle, there's really nothing stopping me from coming in.

    I'd like to see armed guards who personally come see you at the door and check credentials, before escorting you to where you need to be, and escort you out when you're done. Then, my son and those kids would truly have some safety.
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