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    05 May '17 20:10
    The Tories absolutely annihilated Labour, Lib Dems, UKIP and to a lesser extent the SNP. It brings such utter joy to my heart to see the remoaners silenced.
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    05 May '17 23:10
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    The Tories absolutely annihilated Labour, Lib Dems, UKIP and to a lesser extent the SNP. It brings such utter joy to my heart to see the remoaners silenced.
    Smugness is such a depressing quality. Beware of what you wish for...

    https://www.socialeurope.eu/2017/05/know-kind-brexit-theresa-may-really-wants/

    ...Although the government has talked tough about ‘taking back control of our borders’, in practice the application of EU free movement of workers to the UK may only be marginally changed. This may have more to do with adjustment to UK domestic social security arrangements than any attempt to shut the door on what remains an absolutely essential source of labour for vital sectors of the British economy.

    When this all becomes clear, Mrs May’s hard-line Europhobic supporters, not only in UKIP, but also in the Conservative party, will not be pleased. We might expect the political atmosphere to be charged with talk of ‘treachery’ and ‘betrayal’. If pro-EU Tory MPs have proved unwilling to rock the boat in Parliament, anti-EU zealots will display no such inhibition. After all they undermined John Major’s government without compunction in the 1980s.

    This is far more likely to be why Mrs May is so anxious to bolster her grip on Parliament now. She also knows that UK economic growth is slowing, inflation is rising rapidly thanks to the massive de facto devaluation of sterling, and real living standards for many people – already lower than they were a decade ago – are falling again.

    Of course, in pursuing this ambiguous and contradictory strategy, things could all go badly wrong, very quickly. An unintended final rupture might become irreversible. Perhaps a more serious threat to May’s entire project is that her final compromise which leaves the UK half In and half Out of the EU gets rejected by Parliament thanks to a combined vote of Labour, Liberal, nationalist and other pro-EU MPs and hard line Tory Euro-sceptics.
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    06 May '17 00:56
    Funny how being against liberal ideology makes you a phobe.
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    06 May '17 04:56
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Funny how being against liberal ideology makes you a phobe.
    No, it makes you a gullible moron.
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    06 May '17 05:02
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    The Tories absolutely annihilated Labour, Lib Dems, UKIP and to a lesser extent the SNP. It brings such utter joy to my heart to see the remoaners silenced.
    How many councils did the tories win in Scotland?
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    06 May '17 05:50
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    No, it makes you a gullible moron.
    There is a difference between liberalism and socialism. The opposition in the UK used to be true liberals, with leaders such as William Gladstone.

    Then ww1 happened and the labour party came along. The rest is history.
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    06 May '17 05:51
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Smugness is such a depressing quality. Beware of what you wish for...

    https://www.socialeurope.eu/2017/05/know-kind-brexit-theresa-may-really-wants/

    ...Although the government has talked tough about ‘taking back control of our borders’, in practice the application of EU free movement of workers to the UK may only be marginally changed. This ma ...[text shortened]... e of Labour, Liberal, nationalist and other pro-EU MPs and hard line Tory Euro-sceptics.
    As if you wouldn't be smug if labour had caused an upset yesterday.
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    06 May '17 05:521 edit
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    How many councils did the tories win in Scotland?
    None, but not one Scottish council returned an SNP majority. The whole of Scotland was under no overall control, with the tories surging by a whopping 160 odd seats.

    Bad signs for the nats come the general election.
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    06 May '17 06:39
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    None, but not one Scottish council returned an SNP majority. The whole of Scotland was under no overall control, with the tories surging by a whopping 160 odd seats.

    Bad signs for the nats come the general election.
    The tories are at the height of their scores... and even then they have half the seats the SNP do...

    And the coming 2 years are going to see the tories crash like labour is at the moment.
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    06 May '17 07:14
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    The tories are at the height of their scores... and even then they have half the seats the SNP do...

    And the coming 2 years are going to see the tories crash like labour is at the moment.
    No, the SNP are at the height of their scores. The party peaked under Alex Salmond.

    It's a weird new experience for Nicola Sturgeon to have to debate on issues with Ruth Davidson rather than just spouting anti-tory pro independence rhetoric all the time. It's hollow and people are starting to see through it. Expect more SNP losses as she ramps up the rhetoric and the hysteria about "tories doing what they want to Scotland and getting away with it" increases tenfold up to the election.
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    06 May '17 07:18
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    The Tories absolutely annihilated Labour, Lib Dems, UKIP and to a lesser extent the SNP. It brings such utter joy to my heart to see the remoaners silenced.
    If it is true what you say and you are majoring in economics, then that is a good opportunity for you to learn why inhabitants of the U.K. ought not be pleased with the Tories in power.
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    06 May '17 08:19
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    If it is true what you say and you are majoring in economics, then that is a good opportunity for you to learn why inhabitants of the U.K. ought not be pleased with the Tories in power.
    Pray tell, who should be in power?
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    06 May '17 08:26
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    Pray tell, who should be in power?
    Ivory tower intellectuals who know what's best for you, of course.

    While the British political system cannot be considered an effective democracy until it has adopted proportional representation, it does offer two alternative choices to the Tories that are, while inadequate, overall superior to the Tories' political programme. Once proportional representation has been implemented, you may hope for better choices than these.
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    06 May '17 08:32
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    No, it makes you a gullible moron.
    Ooh, you got me there Jihadist.
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    06 May '17 08:33
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Ivory tower intellectuals who know what's best for you, of course.

    While the British political system cannot be considered an effective democracy until it has adopted proportional representation, it does offer two alternative choices to the Tories that are, while inadequate, overall superior to the Tories' political programme. Once proportional representation has been implemented, you may hope for better choices than these.
    Let them eat cake.
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