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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    03 Jun '14 03:50 / 1 edit
    In my hometown of Seattle, the city council just passed the $15.00 minimum wage law to be phased in over the next few years. It's interesting that Seattle and all of Washington State seem to be enjoying a growing economy, booming housing market, and lower than average unemployment numbers along with the highest minimum wage in the nation. This would seem to nullify the GOP claim that higher minimum wages cost jobs, and destroy business growth. Another conservative talking point goes up in smoke...

    http://news.yahoo.com/seattle-council-passes-15-minimum-wage-224406450--finance.html
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    03 Jun '14 03:55
    You'll be crying when Starbucks moves to Texas.

    Bit of trivia - the Pacific Northwest is home of Thunderbird, the indigenous god of the storm. Imagine Thor if he was a bald eagle.
  3. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    03 Jun '14 04:34
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    You'll be crying when Starbucks moves to Texas.

    Bit of trivia - the Pacific Northwest is home of Thunderbird, the indigenous god of the storm. Imagine Thor if he was a bald eagle.
    Dream on little thousand!
  4. 03 Jun '14 13:37
    I found it interesting that:

    A councillor who supported the push said the vote "sends a message heard around the world".


    Does this councillor believe that Seattle is somehow leading the way with a $15/hr minimum wage? This is rather typical of the common attitude in America that, whatever (perceived) flaws American society may have, it must be worse everywhere else. Never mind that there are millions of people already living in places where the minimum wage is the equivalent of USD15 or above, Seattle is "sending a message!"
  5. 03 Jun '14 14:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Does this councillor believe that Seattle is somehow leading the way with a $15/hr minimum wage?
    Maybe the 'message heard' was 'not all Americans are as backward as you might think', or perhaps 'maybe one day, the US can catch up with the more civilized parts of the world'.

    On a side note, I think I earn less than that. Time to consider moving to Seattle.
  6. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    03 Jun '14 15:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Maybe the 'message heard' was 'not all Americans are as backward as you might think', or perhaps 'maybe one day, the US can catch up with the more civilized parts of the world'.

    On a side note, I think I earn less than that. Time to consider moving to Seattle.
    Better hurry, because a lot of businesses are going to lower benefits, and/or eliminate overtime, and/or quit paying for employee parking, and/or quit hiring, or just bail out altogether.
  7. 03 Jun '14 15:52
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Better hurry, because a lot of businesses are going to lower benefits, and/or eliminate overtime, and/or quit paying for employee parking, and/or quit hiring, or just bail out altogether.
    evidence nil
  8. 03 Jun '14 15:59
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Better hurry, because a lot of businesses are going to lower benefits, and/or eliminate overtime, and/or quit paying for employee parking, and/or quit hiring, or just bail out altogether.
    Australian minimum wage: USD 15.22
    Australian unemployment: 6.0%
  9. 03 Jun '14 16:01
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    evidence nil
    If the value of the employee's work does not exceed their pay, they will not have a job. Certain services will greatly increase in price or will stop being provided.
  10. 03 Jun '14 16:16 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by quackquack
    If the value of the employee's work does not exceed their pay, they will not have a job. Certain services will greatly increase in price or will stop being provided.
    and your evidence amounts to nil, could for example MacDonalds afford to pay their employees 15 dollars per hour and still remain profitable, you bet they could so shad-up-a-yo-face, your scaremongering is entirely typical of those making arguments without a shred of evidence.
  11. 03 Jun '14 16:27
    Originally posted by bill718
    In my hometown of Seattle, the city council just passed the $15.00 minimum wage law to be phased in over the next few years. It's interesting that Seattle and all of Washington State seem to be enjoying a growing economy, booming housing market, and lower than average unemployment numbers along with the highest minimum wage in the nation. This would seem to ...[text shortened]... oke...

    http://news.yahoo.com/seattle-council-passes-15-minimum-wage-224406450--finance.html
    Please, the fact that a liberal city council passed a silly law doesn't equate to it being successful.

    The claim that minimum wages, including higher ones cost jobs is not a GOP claim, but an economic reality.

    Up in smoke is a Cheech and Chong title. Put down the pipe before posting.
  12. 03 Jun '14 16:28
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Please, the fact that a liberal city council passed a silly law doesn't equate to it being successful.

    The claim that minimum wages, including higher ones cost jobs is not a GOP claim, but an economic reality.

    Up in smoke is a Cheech and Chong title. Put down the pipe before posting.
    its certainly successful for those workers that will receive its benefits, your evidence to the contrary amounts to nothing.
  13. 03 Jun '14 16:51
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    and your evidence amounts to nil, could for example MacDonalds afford to pay their employees 15 dollars per hour and still remain profitable, you bet they could so shad-up-a-yo-face, your scaremongering is entirely typical of those making arguments without a shred of evidence.
    Your idea that we can simply raise costs of production but not decrease profitability is simply contrary to economics and there is a not a shred of evidence that it is possible.

    McDonalds certainly would not hire someone and pay them more than they are worth. They would increase automation, cut jobs (by limiting menu or closing stores at lower peak times) or move to areas where they could make a profit.
  14. 03 Jun '14 16:54
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    and your evidence amounts to nil, could for example MacDonalds afford to pay their employees 15 dollars per hour and still remain profitable, you bet they could so shad-up-a-yo-face, your scaremongering is entirely typical of those making arguments without a shred of evidence.
    The total cost of hiring and paying a MacDonald employee in the Detroit area is probably somewhere near $15 per hour. Only about half of that is cash wage.

    MacDonald is almost exclusively a franchise business, and the corporate entity charges a hefty franchise fee to someone opening a location. Those people expect a return on that investment, and didn't get in to supply jobs to low skill workers. Before the last raise of the minimum wage, many MacDonald locations paid well above minimum.

    Prices at the counter often reflect local costs, for example toll road locations, big cities where real estates costs are high. If you believe that businesses, including MacDonald, are going to just swallow a doubling of minimum wage you are ignoring reality. The responses will vary, but those who can't produce more than their wage will lose their jobs.
  15. 03 Jun '14 16:56
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Your idea that we can simply raise costs of production but not decrease profitability is simply contrary to economics and there is a not a shred of evidence that it is possible.

    McDonalds certainly would not hire someone and pay them more than they are worth. They would increase automation, cut jobs (by limiting menu or closing stores at lower peak times) or move to areas where they could make a profit.
    more bull than a herd of Texan longhorns, your claims have NO substantiating evidence.