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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
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    09 Feb '13 19:44
    Joel B. Pollak7 Feb 20131620post a comment

    Nothing. That is what President Barack Obama did on the night of September 11, 2012, as terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi and killed four Americans, among them Ambassador Christopher Stevens. President Obama’s inaction was revealed in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday by outgoing Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey.

    Under direct questioning by Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH), Panetta admitted that he had no communication with President Obama after their “pre-scheduled” meeting at 5:00 p.m. EDT. The attack on the consulate had already been under way for 90 minutes at that time. Neither the president nor anyone else from the White House called afterwards to check what was happening; the Commander-in-Chief had left it “up to us,” said Panetta.

    Panetta’s testimony directly contradicts President Obama’s own claim to have issued “three directives” as soon as he learned “what was going on” in Benghazi. As he told a Denver reporter in October:


    I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure we are securing our personnel and that we are doing whatever we need to. Number two, we are going to investigate exactly what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again. Number three, find out who did this so we can bring them to justice.

    That same claim was subsequently repeated by other Democrats, including Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel, who came to the president’s defense. But if those directives were indeed given--and proof has never been produced--they were given long after the attack, not while the attack was going on, during which time the president did nothing.

    Panetta and Dempsey also admitted, under questioning by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), that they were not in touch with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during the attacks, and did not receive a request for help from the State Department. Dempsey also testified that he had been “surprised” at Clinton’s testimony last month that she did not know of an urgent cable from Ambassador Stevens last August about the dire security situation.

    To borrow a metaphor from the 2008 Democratic primary campaign: when the 3 a.m. call came (at 5 p.m. in the afternoon), neither Clinton nor Obama were there to respond.

    Panetta was also forced to admit, in the face of vigorous questioning by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), that no military action at all had been taken to intervene in Benghazi after the attack had begun, promising only that a similar lapse would not happen again.

    Later, on Thursday afternoon, during Deputy National Security Adviser John Brennan’s confirmation hearing to lead the Central Intelligence Agency, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) demanded to know why the administration failed to interview a suspect in the attack.

    Brennan’s response was merely that the Tunisian authorities who had arrested him “did not have a basis in their law” for allowing the U.S. to question him about the attack.

    In sum: President Obama did nothing to save Americans under attack from terrorists. His Secretary of Defense did nothing. His Secretary of State did nothing. The Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff did nothing. His Deputy National Security Adviser defended doing “nothing” to help bring the perpetrators to justice. And the entire administration participated in an effort to cover up the truth. Because there was an election to be won.
  2. 09 Feb '13 19:52
    As millions of Americans are dying prevantable deaths, there is something revealing about this obsession with the ambassador. Do you think an ambassador is worth more than an ordinary American?
  3. 09 Feb '13 19:53
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Joel B. Pollak7 Feb 20131620post a comment

    Nothing. That is what President Barack Obama did on the night of September 11, 2012, as terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi and killed four Americans, among them Ambassador Christopher Stevens. President Obama’s inaction was revealed in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on ...[text shortened]... ation participated in an effort to cover up the truth. Because there was an election to be won.
    Obama may have helped plan the attack for all we know.
  4. Standard member sasquatch672
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    09 Feb '13 20:09 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    As millions of Americans are dying prevantable deaths, there is something revealing about this obsession with the ambassador. Do you think an ambassador is worth more than an ordinary American?
    Is an Ambassador's life worth more than a soldier's, or any other ordinary Joe? No. Is it critically important to let bad actors know that America will not permit a hair to be harmed on any American's head anywhere, and will protect its representatives abroad with the full might of its military? Absolutely, yes.

    There are things you can't do anything about directly. You cannot predict that Susie Creamcheese will be T-boned by an eighteen-wheeler at 2:04 AM this coming Tuesday.

    You can, however, predict with startling accuracy that unless deterred, a host country militia will continue an attack on an American diplomatic mission until all Americans are dead, or, improbably, escape.

    And, when you command the most powerful military in the world, and you have the most elite military units in the history of mankind both at your disposal and two hours' flying time away, and you know that American lives are in grave danger, and you not only fail to deploy them and let them not only do their job but do the thing they live to do, and you don't personally take command of the situation, you are a coward, you are unworthy of the office you hold, unworthy of the military you command, and unworthy of calling yourself an American, or even a man.
  5. 09 Feb '13 20:14
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    No.

    There are things you can't do anything about directly. You cannot predict that Susie Creamcheese will be T-boned by an eighteen-wheeler at 2:04 AM this coming Tuesday.

    You can, however, predict with startling accuracy that unless deterred, a host country militia will continue an attack on an American diplomatic mission until all Americans a ...[text shortened]... thy of the military you command, and unworthy of calling yourself an American, or even a man.
    Right. How many easily preventable deaths occur because of military agression, inadequate health care, poverty and obesity? More than four, I reckon. Why don't these deaths count but just the single ambassador who died because of an inadequate security assessment?
  6. Standard member sasquatch672
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    09 Feb '13 21:19
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Right. How many easily preventable deaths occur because of military agression, inadequate health care, poverty and obesity? More than four, I reckon. Why don't these deaths count but just the single ambassador who died because of an inadequate security assessment?
    I confess to a visceral disdain for Obama. I don't have a good answer to your question. I will tell you that Benghazi feeds my disdain, and not the other way around.

    I think a lot of it is that I was a guy in an embassy, and I put myself in their shoes. We have a phrase in America - "Got your back". At its core, it means that among men of arms, if the choice is between dying with a brother, or escaping to safety and leaving a brother to die, we choose death.

    Obama, he whose cocaine habit would have disqualified him from serving in the military he now commands, went to bed when American lives were in danger. Obama is a coward. He was derelict in his duties. He is not a champion of America. He apologizes for America. And quite frankly, I'm tired of people calling him honorable and decent. I don't care what kind of father he is; I care what kind of President he is. And he is historically, tragically bad.
  7. 10 Feb '13 00:23
    NDAA bill, shows he didn't abandon Americans in fact he included them!!!!
  8. Standard member bill718
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    10 Feb '13 02:19 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Joel B. Pollak7 Feb 20131620post a comment

    Nothing. That is what President Barack Obama did on the night of September 11, 2012, as terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi and killed four Americans, among them Ambassador Christopher Stevens. President Obama’s inaction was revealed in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on ation participated in an effort to cover up the truth. Because there was an election to be won.
    It's interesting you never mention Obama's part in the killing of Osama Bin Laden, or the fact that America has not had a terrorist attack on it's soil since the days of George W Bush, or the fact that Obama is doing a decent job of bringing a orderly conclusion to the wars in Afganistan and Iraq, thus saving billions of dollars (Have they found any of those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq yet??), or the fact that the NYSE is near it's all time high's, despite the fact that Obama is supposed to be a "socialist", hellbent on destroying our beloved capaitalist system (Remember where the NYSE was when "W" left office??) Nope when it comes to Obama...it's all negative with you! Are you getting this stuff from the "fair and balanced" reporting on Fox news??
  9. 10 Feb '13 20:29
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    As millions of Americans are dying prevantable deaths, there is something revealing about this obsession with the ambassador. Do you think an ambassador is worth more than an ordinary American?
    The attention is not due to different valuation, but due to a level of responsibility of the executive.
  10. 10 Feb '13 20:30
    Originally posted by bill718
    It's interesting you never mention Obama's part in the killing of Osama Bin Laden, or the fact that America has not had a terrorist attack on it's soil since the days of George W Bush, or the fact that Obama is doing a decent job of bringing a orderly conclusion to the wars in Afganistan and Iraq, thus saving billions of dollars (Have they found any of those ...[text shortened]... u! Are you getting this stuff from the "fair and balanced" reporting on Fox news??
    Wrong. The Fort Hood shootings.
  11. 10 Feb '13 20:33
    Originally posted by normbenign
    The attention is not due to different valuation, but due to a level of responsibility of the executive.
    Doesn't the President have a responsibility to all Americans? Or just ones with a high diplomatic ranking?
  12. Standard member sasquatch672
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    10 Feb '13 22:26 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by bill718
    It's interesting you never mention Obama's part in the killing of Osama Bin Laden, or the fact that America has not had a terrorist attack on it's soil since the days of George W Bush, or the fact that Obama is doing a decent job of bringing a orderly conclusion to the wars in Afganistan and Iraq, thus saving billions of dollars (Have they found any of those u! Are you getting this stuff from the "fair and balanced" reporting on Fox news??
    All fair points.

    However, the thing you never do is tell the enemy when you're leaving. And you do not, as President, promulgate a policy of extrajudicial execution of Americans.

    I know they're rabid anti-American Muslims. They will not be missed, nor will I shed a tear for them. However, the threat they pose is not so great to warrant a shredding of the Constitution.

    The terror attacks of September 11, 2001 were terrible. And as bad as they were, they destroyed a city block (albeit a very important city block). That is nowhere close to the threat of world annihilation posed by the Soviet Union.

    To shred the Constitution, to deny Americans their Constitutionally provided rights, is hysteria and a craven - and I argue, impeachable and removable - power grab.
  13. 11 Feb '13 01:03
    What we really should be doing is celebrating the Arab Spring Obama helped bring about in Libya.

    Isn't Islamic freedom wonderful!
  14. 12 Feb '13 21:04
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Doesn't the President have a responsibility to all Americans? Or just ones with a high diplomatic ranking?
    No, American Presidents have limited responsibilities defined in the Constitution. Fixing health care is not mentioned! He is commander in chief, and responsible for diplomatic missions.

    How about if he did what he swore to do, and leave the rest to others.
  15. 12 Feb '13 21:10
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    As millions of Americans are dying prevantable deaths, there is something revealing about this obsession with the ambassador. Do you think an ambassador is worth more than an ordinary American?
    Do you think it was only an ambassador that died?

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/heartbroken-father-of-navy-seal-killed-in-libya-accuses-obama-admin-of-lying-murder/