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  1. Standard member BongalloJoe
    Not Gone Yet
    22 May '16 03:34
    Do you think that it is right to have men going into a womens restroom after transgenderification (???)

    Why, or Why Not?
  2. 22 May '16 07:41
    I go to a restroom to take a leak or a dump, not to concern myself with other people's genitalia and/or gender identification.
  3. Standard member BongalloJoe
    Not Gone Yet
    22 May '16 11:43
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I go to a restroom to take a leak or a dump, not to concern myself with other people's genitalia and/or gender identification.
    Ya, but now in some places you can put on a wig and a skirt and go into the womens restroom even if you are a man. It just isn't right.
  4. 22 May '16 11:58
    Originally posted by Andrew Kern
    Ya, but now in some places you can put on a wig and a skirt and go into the womens restroom even if you are a man. It just isn't right.
    Sexual predators go into bathrooms already without needing a law to protect them, and
    oh, btw anyone doing so would be breaking the law regardless.

    There are no cases of Transgender people assaulting or raping people in restrooms, EVER.

    Transgender people are on the other-hand frequently raped and assaulted in bathrooms by
    non-trans people.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/5/20/11719588/transgender-bathrooms-trevor-noah-daily-show

    America has been caught for months in a frenzy over where transgender people can pee. So on Thursday, The Daily Show's Trevor Noah set aside eight minutes of his show for a lengthy monologue offering a point-by-point rebuttal to the anti-trans hysteria.

    All throughout the debates, opponents of trans rights have repeated the same talking point: If places let trans people to use the bathroom or locker room that matches their gender identity, men will take advantage of the policies and disguise themselves as women to sneak into women's bathrooms and locker rooms and sexually assault or harass women.

    Noah blew up the absurdity of this argument — that would-be sex offenders are just waiting for a legal change to carry out their acts.

    "That's what perverts have been waiting for: loopholes," Noah said. "This argument falls flat every single time. Just think about it: We have labeled these people as perverts, as sex offenders. And you think they're waiting for the laws to change? That's what you're thinking? Like guys out there going, 'Man, I want to flash people in the bathroom so badly. When are they going to change the laws? When are they going to change the laws to accommodate me?'"

    This has been the most absurd aspect of this debate from day one. Whether the laws change to be just a little more trans-friendly is irrelevant to people who are going to break the law and sexually harass or assault people in the bathroom in the first place. After all, these are sex offenders.


    But if it's not the sex offender talking point, it's the privacy talking point — the idea that other people just don't want to have a person with different genitalia in the same bathroom as them.

    Noah, again, responded, "You know what? I understand that. Privacy. We all expect a certain level of privacy. And I've chatted to some of my friends who are parents of young girls and they go, 'Hey, I don't know if I'd be comfortable with my daughter being in the same bathroom as an exposed penis.' And I understand that. It's not like I don't understand that completely, because I'm not comfortable being in the bathroom with an exposed penis, and I'm a man."

    He added, "In life, there are certain types of privacy we forgo. It's one of the deals we make to be part of society. That's what we do. When I go to the gym, I have to accept the fact that in the changing room, there may be a man standing there blow-drying his balls."

    As Noah is indicating, the fact is bathrooms and locker rooms are just uncomfortable places to be. Nothing is going to change that. They are, by their nature, places where some expectations of privacy go away. But if no one is getting hurt in the process — and no one is due to trans-friendly policies in the places that have them — then it's possible to just deal with it, and let trans people use the bathroom for their gender identity without making them feel ostracized and discriminated against.

    "We're not comfortable with many things in society," Noah said, "but we've learned to get over it."
  5. 22 May '16 11:59
    Originally posted by Andrew Kern
    Ya, but now in some places you can put on a wig and a skirt and go into the womens restroom even if you are a man. It just isn't right.
    Why do you feel that is "just [not] right"?
  6. 22 May '16 12:10
    Originally posted by Andrew Kern
    Do you think that it is right to have men going into a womens restroom after transgenderification (???)

    Why, or Why Not?
    No matter what the state says, know that everyone has access to these bathrooms whether it is legal or not.

    If you have a child go in with them regardless of the laws. And if you have a woman in your life when she goes in stay close to the door if she screams for help. Better yet, have her carry a gun around.
  7. 22 May '16 12:45
    Originally posted by whodey
    No matter what the state says, know that everyone has access to these bathrooms whether it is legal or not.

    If you have a child go in with them regardless of the laws. And if you have a woman in your life when she goes in stay close to the door if she screams for help. Better yet, have her carry a gun around.
    What a scary and paranoid world you live in.

    Being attacked in a restroom is very very rare and unlikely.

    And carrying a gun around is vastly more likely to get you killed than it is to help you.
  8. 22 May '16 12:50
    Originally posted by whodey
    No matter what the state says, know that everyone has access to these bathrooms whether it is legal or not.

    If you have a child go in with them regardless of the laws. And if you have a woman in your life when she goes in stay close to the door if she screams for help. Better yet, have her carry a gun around.
    If you feel the urge to stand guard outside a public restroom I'm not surprised if you don't have "a woman in your life."
  9. 22 May '16 13:05
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    What a scary and paranoid world you live in.

    Being attacked in a restroom is very very rare and unlikely.

    And carrying a gun around is vastly more likely to get you killed than it is to help you.
    If people are worried about it, for whatever reason, they should take steps to feel safe.

    I never said that everyone felt this way but obviously some do.

    For example, from what I hear in Europe, if a woman walks alone it is an open advertisement for Muslims to have sex with her. If so, they should carry guns if they must walk alone.

    Other people may just live in a bad section of town and should carry a gun as a baseline.
  10. 22 May '16 13:15
    Originally posted by whodey
    If people are worried about it, for whatever reason, they should take steps to feel safe.

    I never said that everyone felt this way but obviously some do.

    For example, from what I hear in Europe, if a woman walks alone it is an open advertisement for Muslims to have sex with her. If so, they should carry guns if they must walk alone.

    Other people may just live in a bad section of town and should carry a gun as a baseline.
    An alternative way of feeling safer is to seek treatment for paranoid delusions.
  11. Standard member BongalloJoe
    Not Gone Yet
    22 May '16 13:45
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Why do you feel that is "just [not] right"?
    God didn't create the earth to be like this. I don't believe this is what he had in mind.

    I respect if you are an athiest, I'm not trying to bring you to Christ.
  12. 22 May '16 13:55
    Originally posted by Andrew Kern
    God didn't create the earth to be like this. I don't believe this is what he had in mind.

    I respect if you are an athiest, I'm not trying to bring you to Christ.
    Don't look to the state for help or protection. And certainly don't look to people on this forum for sympathy.
  13. 22 May '16 14:02
    Originally posted by Andrew Kern
    God didn't create the earth to be like this.
    God clearly messed up. Transgender people are transgender because of Gods error. Putting the blame on them and denying them the right to be treated like human beings is despicable of you.
  14. Standard member BongalloJoe
    Not Gone Yet
    22 May '16 14:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Don't look to the state for help or protection. And certainly don't look to people on this forum for sympathy.
    Are you saying to look to God?
  15. 22 May '16 14:04
    Originally posted by Andrew Kern
    Ya, but now in some places you can put on a wig and a skirt and go into the womens restroom even if you are a man. It just isn't right.
    But those are not transgender people. Your original question was about transgender people. You do know what 'trans' means? It means more than putting on a wig and wearing a skirt. Otherwise you would not be allowing Judges and Scotsmen in male bathrooms.