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    11 Sep '15 20:31
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/05/us-supreme-court-cheerleader

    "When the US Supreme Court fails to support a cheerleader who took a
    stand against her attacker, a girl really has no way to win."
    --S E Smith

    High school sports (at least for males) are big business in Texas, where
    high school football has been likened to a civic religion. Star male athletes
    tend to be perceived and treated almost as though they were local gods.
    These values may have influenced what happened in this case.

    In 2008 a high school cheerleader (age 16) accused a high school athlete
    of raping her. (One myth is that every high school girl would be eager to
    sleep with any popular male high school athlete.) He was charged with
    sexual assault and accepted a plea bargain on a lesser charge, receiving
    a sentence that included no time in prison.

    Although he had been convicting of assaulting her, he was still free and
    encouraged to represent the school as an athlete. (Star male athletes
    are valued much more highly than female cheerleaders in Texas.)
    In 2009, as a member of her high school's cheerleading squad, the victim
    was ordered to cheer for the athlete who had assaulted (raped, she said) her.
    She refused to cheer for her rapist and preferred to remain silent.
    In retaliation, the school suspended her from the cheerleading squad.
    The courts have decided that the school was justified in ordering her
    to cheer in public for her alleged rapist and convicted assailant.

    "School sports are serious business in the US, especially in Texas where this
    case took place. Rape is not such a serious business. And free speech
    for students? Also not serious business. First the school told her to shut up
    and hide, then when she did shut up (my note: by refusing to cheer for her rapist),
    it punished her. It's almost like a girl has no way to win when she's thrown
    into the deep end of the victim blaming pool."
    --S E Smith

    A popular star male athlete enjoys much more power than a female cheerleader
    in American high school culture. Indeed, many such male athletes seem
    to feel entitled to the cheerleaders' sexual favors as perks of their status.
  2. Standard memberbill718
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    12 Sep '15 03:062 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/05/us-supreme-court-cheerleader

    "When the US Supreme Court fails to support a cheerleader who took a
    stand against her attacker, a girl really has no way to win."
    --S E Smith

    High school sports (at least for males) are big business in Texas, where
    high school football has been likened to a civic ...[text shortened]... ale athletes seem
    to feel entitled to the cheerleaders' sexual favors as perks of their status.
    There is no way to justify this young man's actions. You are correct in pointing out star male athletes are valued much more highly than female cheerleaders in Texas, that said, our cheerleader here could have cheered for the team, and not her attacker if she didn't want to be removed. So...should she have the right to silence? I'm not sure. Doing so would be very much like a star athlete having the right to enter a sporting event, and then do nothing during the event. I'm not sure what is the best course of action here, but I would point out there are other ways of "taking a stand against one's attacker" than simply refusing to cheer for him.

    P.S. I was not the one who gave your post a thumbs down.
  3. Subscriberno1marauder
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    12 Sep '15 03:48
    No, a cheerleader doesn't have a "right" not to cheer for the team.
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    Google a round you'll find a picture of the rapist all will be made clear.
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    12 Sep '15 10:43
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/05/us-supreme-court-cheerleader

    "When the US Supreme Court fails to support a cheerleader who took a
    stand against her attacker, a girl really has no way to win."
    --S E Smith

    High school sports (at least for males) are big business in Texas, where
    high school football has been likened to a civic ...[text shortened]... ale athletes seem
    to feel entitled to the cheerleaders' sexual favors as perks of their status.
    complain that the "justice" system allowed a rapist to walk free. feel sympathy that the cheerleader was put in this situation.


    don't complain that the school suspended her from a job for refusing to do that job. of all the fuked up crap happening one after another, you chose this to complain about
  6. Standard memberRJHinds
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    12 Sep '15 10:52
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    complain that the "justice" system allowed a rapist to walk free. feel sympathy that the cheerleader was put in this situation.


    don't complain that the school suspended her from a job for refusing to do that job. of all the fuked up crap happening one after another, you chose this to complain about
    Duchess doesn't seem to understand that the whole society can not stop until a rape victim gets better.
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    12 Sep '15 11:24
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Duchess doesn't seem to understand that the whole society can not stop until a rape victim gets better.
    you don't seem to understand that if you can't muster a little sympathy towards someone in pain, you should just keep your fukin piehole shut.
  8. Standard memberRJHinds
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    12 Sep '15 11:40
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    you don't seem to understand that if you can't muster a little sympathy towards someone in pain, you should just keep your fukin piehole shut.
    I have sympathy towards someone in pain. You don't know my feelings.
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    12 Sep '15 15:53
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Google a round you'll find a picture of the rapist all will be made clear.
    C'mon and say it.
  10. Standard membershavixmir
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    12 Sep '15 17:11
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    No, a cheerleader doesn't have a "right" not to cheer for the team.
    Why not?
    I don't understand her cheerleading friends. They should hold a banner at a game naming the rapist for all to see.
  11. Subscriberno1marauder
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    12 Sep '15 17:20
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Why not?
    I don't understand her cheerleading friends. They should hold a banner at a game naming the rapist for all to see.
    If they want to sit in the stands and do so, fine. However as the name states the job of a "cheerleader" is to lead cheers for the team. If she finds that objectionable, then she shouldn't be on the squad; it's not like it's a mandatory position.
  12. Zugzwang
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    12 Sep '15 20:242 edits
    Originally posted by bill718
    There is no way to justify this young man's actions. You are correct in pointing out star male athletes are valued much more highly than female cheerleaders in Texas, that said, our cheerleader here could have cheered for the team, and not her attacker if she didn't want to be removed. So...should she have the right to silence? I'm not sure. Doing so would b ...[text shortened]... an simply refusing to cheer for him.

    P.S. I was not the one who gave your post a thumbs down.
    There seems to be some confusion about the facts in this case.
    Reportedly, the cheerleader *did* cheer for her high school's basketball team.
    When one basketball player (her rapist) *alone* was shooting free throws (the action stopped
    elsewhere on the court while he's doing this), she remained silent rather than cheering for him.
    She did *not* shout anything to distract him. She decided to protest only through her silence.
    So the cheerleader *did* cheer for her team but *not* for the individual player who had raped her.
  13. Zugzwang
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    12 Sep '15 20:52
    Originally posted by shavixmir to No1Marauder
    Why not?
    I don't understand her cheerleading friends. They should hold a banner at a game naming the rapist for all to see.
    In some other reported cases where an American high school or college girl has accused
    a popular male athlete of raping her, many, sometimes even most, of her female friends
    have preferred to support the athlete rather than her. And she has been vilified as a lying 'slut'.
    The power of being a male star athlete in American pop culture should not be taken
    lightly and it influences women as well as men in how they would judge him.
  14. Subscriberno1marauder
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    12 Sep '15 23:23
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    There seems to be some confusion about the facts in this case.
    Reportedly, the cheerleader *did* cheer for her high school's basketball team.
    When one basketball player (her rapist) *alone* was shooting free throws (the action stopped
    elsewhere on the court while he's doing this), she remained silent rather than cheering for him.
    She did *not* shout an ...[text shortened]... the cheerleader *did* cheer for her team but *not* for the individual player who had raped her.
    The player is on the team; his making free throws helps the team. IF cheerleaders are expected to cheer when any of the team's players are on the free throw line, then that is what they should do.

    I'm quite puzzled as to why she would want to remain on the basketball team's cheerleading squad with her alleged rapist on the team.
  15. Subscriberno1marauder
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    12 Sep '15 23:30
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/05/us-supreme-court-cheerleader

    "When the US Supreme Court fails to support a cheerleader who took a
    stand against her attacker, a girl really has no way to win."
    --S E Smith

    High school sports (at least for males) are big business in Texas, where
    high school football has been likened to a civic ...[text shortened]... ale athletes seem
    to feel entitled to the cheerleaders' sexual favors as perks of their status.
    It appears that the assertion in the article that "He was charged with
    sexual assault and accepted a plea bargain on a lesser charge, receiving
    a sentence that included no time in prison" is incorrect; in fact the Grand Jury declined to indict. http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/09/09-41075.0.wpd.pdf
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