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    29 Jul '17 13:05
    Would a generous healthcare for every American ...that is very similar to what our Congeressional members have ...be too much to ask for?

    The political party that can get this done, will get everyone's votes for the next 100 years.
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    29 Jul '17 13:473 edits
    Originally posted by @loudog
    Would a generous healthcare for every American ...that is very similar to what our Congeressional members have ...be too much to ask for?

    The political party that can get this done, will get everyone's votes for the next 100 years.
    The only way to get decent health care would be for those passing the laws to abide by whatever law they impose upon us.

    However, that will never happen cuz from a government standpoint health care equals rationing and redistribution.

    None of them want to be rationed in Congress.

    Since the GOP and Dim party have abdicated their responsibility with providing American with decent health care, the time has come for the Article V movement.

    States need to do the job, just like Romneycare did for MA.
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    29 Jul '17 13:54
    Originally posted by @whodey
    The only way to get decent health care would be for those passing the laws to abide by whatever law they impose upon us.

    However, that will never happen cuz from a government standpoint health care equals rationing and redistribution.

    None of them want to be rationed in Congress.

    Since the GOP and Dim party have abdicated their responsibility with p ...[text shortened]... come for the Article V movement.

    States need to do the job, just like Romneycare did for MA.
    But states haven't done the job, have they?

    Would you consider the blood of the thousands of Americans who died due to insufficient health care coverage that you let flow so eagerly through your hands a worthy sacrifice on the altar of states' rights?
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    29 Jul '17 14:09
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    But states haven't done the job, have they?

    Would you consider the blood of the thousands of Americans who died due to insufficient health care coverage that you let flow so eagerly through your hands a worthy sacrifice on the altar of states' rights?
    Yet you claim the blood on Obama's hands isn't healthcare's fault.

    You are a hypocrite and a liar.

    There is no possible way to afford giving all Americans congress' healthcare. The best we could do is have congress set medical price controls.
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    29 Jul '17 14:15
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Yet you claim the blood on Obama's hands isn't healthcare's fault.

    You are a hypocrite and a liar.

    There is no possible way to afford giving all Americans congress' healthcare. The best we could do is have congress set medical price controls.
    "There is no possible way to afford giving all Americans congress' healthcare."
    yes, no possible way. you can't possibly take money away from the most bloated, wasteful and obscenely large military budget in the world in order to provide for your citizens.

    much better to have enough cool toys to threaten to take other people's lives than to save your own lives
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    29 Jul '17 14:25
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    "There is no possible way to afford giving all Americans congress' healthcare."
    yes, no possible way. you can't possibly take money away from the most bloated, wasteful and obscenely large military budget in the world in order to provide for your citizens.

    much better to have enough cool toys to threaten to take other people's lives than to save your own lives
    As I said, at the prices the medical community charges, there is no way to pay for universal health care.
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    29 Jul '17 14:30
    Originally posted by @eladar
    As I said, at the prices the medical community charges, there is no way to pay for universal health care.
    yes, nobody else in the entire world does it.
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    29 Jul '17 15:00
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    yes, nobody else in the entire world does it.
    Has a government that dictates medical pay, many do.

    Is such a system Constitutional? Of course not, but I bet you could appoint 5 political hacks who would declare othetwise.
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    29 Jul '17 15:10
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Yet you claim the blood on Obama's hands isn't healthcare's fault.

    You are a hypocrite and a liar.

    There is no possible way to afford giving all Americans congress' healthcare. The best we could do is have congress set medical price controls.
    There is a possible way to guarantee good health care coverage for everyone - hundreds of millions of people live in one of dozens such systems, your pathological desire to urinate on the graves of children who died of leukaemia notwithstanding.
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    29 Jul '17 15:18
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    There is a possible way to guarantee good health care coverage for everyone - hundreds of millions of people live in one of dozens such systems, your pathological desire to urinate on the graves of children who died of leukaemia notwithstanding.
    Just as you urinate on the graves of those who needlessly died under Obamacare. They would be alive today if Obama had done nothing.

    You take great pleasure in their deaths.
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    29 Jul '17 15:26
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Just as you urinate on the graves of those who needlessly died under Obamacare. They would be alive today if Obama had done nothing.
    Source?
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    29 Jul '17 15:34
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Source?
    https://thefederalist.com/2017/04/25/running-numbers-mortality-rates-suggests-obamacare-killing-people/
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    29 Jul '17 15:44
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    But states haven't done the job, have they?

    Would you consider the blood of the thousands of Americans who died due to insufficient health care coverage that you let flow so eagerly through your hands a worthy sacrifice on the altar of states' rights?
    How did Romneycare fail in your estimation?
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    29 Jul '17 15:59
    Originally posted by @eladar
    https://thefederalist.com/2017/04/25/running-numbers-mortality-rates-suggests-obamacare-killing-people/
    Isn't claiming what you are. Care to try again, or would you rather retract your claim?
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    29 Jul '17 16:00
    Originally posted by @whodey
    How did Romneycare fail in your estimation?
    I didn't say Romneycare "failed."
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