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  1. Zugzwang
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    14 Sep '16 22:23
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/14/single-sex-schools-offer-no-advantages-and-feed-stereotypes-psychologists-told

    "Single Sex Schools Offer No Advantages and Feed Stereotypes, Psychologists Told"
    --Elle Hunt

    Diane Halpern, a former president of the American Psychological Association,
    has stated that many claims by advocates of single-sex schooling have
    not been substantiated by research.
  2. Unknown Territories
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    15 Sep '16 01:21
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/14/single-sex-schools-offer-no-advantages-and-feed-stereotypes-psychologists-told

    "Single Sex Schools Offer No Advantages and Feed Stereotypes, Psychologists Told"
    --Elle Hunt

    Diane Halpern, a former president of the American Psychological Association,
    has stated that many claims by advocates of single-sex schooling have
    not been substantiated by research.
    Do you offer refunds?

    You really should.
  3. Cape Town
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    15 Sep '16 07:39
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/14/single-sex-schools-offer-no-advantages-and-feed-stereotypes-psychologists-told

    "Single Sex Schools Offer No Advantages and Feed Stereotypes, Psychologists Told"
    --Elle Hunt

    Diane Halpern, a former president of the American Psychological Association,
    has stated that many claims by advocates of single-sex schooling have
    not been substantiated by research.
    Although I agree that there may be no advantage to single sex schools and there may be disadvantages, she hasn't actually proven the disadvantages and its interesting that she used polling data to prove that educational outcomes are identical but didn't use the same data to prove her own claim.
    Further her statement:
    She was unavailable to comment to Guardian Australia but said in a statement the “underlying biology, physiology and social psychology of learning” was exactly the same across the sexes.

    is false and suggests she isn't qualified to be talking about this sort of think anyway.
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    15 Sep '16 08:02
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/14/single-sex-schools-offer-no-advantages-and-feed-stereotypes-psychologists-told

    "Single Sex Schools Offer No Advantages and Feed Stereotypes, Psychologists Told"
    --Elle Hunt

    Diane Halpern, a former president of the American Psychological Association,
    has stated that many claims by advocates of single-sex schooling have
    not been substantiated by research.
    an archaic system established solely on keeping groups segregated is not beneficial? shocking.

    did those psychologists found that after deciding that physical punishment is not so good for children? will they conduct next a 2 year study on whether marital abuse leads to a healthy marriage or not?
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    15 Sep '16 08:04
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Although I agree that there may be no advantage to single sex schools and there may be disadvantages, she hasn't actually proven the disadvantages and its interesting that she used polling data to prove that educational outcomes are identical but didn't use the same data to prove her own claim.
    Further her statement:
    [quote]She was unavailable to commen ...[text shortened]... quote]
    is false and suggests she isn't qualified to be talking about this sort of think anyway.
    "she hasn't actually proven the disadvantages"
    did she make a claim there were disadvantages? if not, why would she have to prove there were any?
  6. Cape Town
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    15 Sep '16 08:19
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    did she make a claim there were disadvantages?
    Did you bother to read the article before opening your big mouth?
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    15 Sep '16 08:20
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Did you bother to read the article before opening your big mouth?
    no, i am asking you. i have no intention of bothering to read the article.
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    15 Sep '16 11:57
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Did you bother to read the article before opening your big mouth?
    "Z" only talks. Maybe he can't read.
  9. Cape Town
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    15 Sep '16 12:10
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    no, i am asking you. i have no intention of bothering to read the article.
    Then try asking politely.
  10. Standard membersh76
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    15 Sep '16 12:48
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    no, i am asking you. i have no intention of bothering to read the article.
    Then maybe read the headline, at least.

    Hint: "Feed Stereotypes"
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    15 Sep '16 12:50
    Originally posted by sh76
    Then maybe read the headline, at least.

    Hint: "Feed Stereotypes"
    To be a Hillary supporter, it behooves him to not every read....anything ever again.
  12. Standard membersh76
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    15 Sep '16 12:53
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/14/single-sex-schools-offer-no-advantages-and-feed-stereotypes-psychologists-told

    "Single Sex Schools Offer No Advantages and Feed Stereotypes, Psychologists Told"
    --Elle Hunt

    Diane Halpern, a former president of the American Psychological Association,
    has stated that many claims by advocates of single-sex schooling have
    not been substantiated by research.
    Even assuming there's no *net* advantage to the median student single sex schools, that doesn't mean that they're not advantageous to any students. It stands to reason that single sex settings could benefit some students while hurting others.

    That's why, as always, giving parents (who know their own children best) the choice seems like the best idea.
  13. Zugzwang
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    15 Sep '16 21:41
    Originally posted by sh76
    Even assuming there's no *net* advantage to the median student single sex schools, that doesn't mean that they're not advantageous to any students. It stands to reason that single sex settings could benefit some students while hurting others.

    That's why, as always, giving parents (who know their own children best) the choice seems like the best idea.
    I concur that an individual student (such as a girl who's afflicted by sexist bullying) could
    have a better educational experience in a single-sex school. And I would submit that, for
    ideological reasons, sometimes it's practical for students, particularly girls, only to attend single-sex schools.

    "That's why, as always, giving parents (who know their own children best) the choice seems like the best idea."
    --Sh76

    What if the parents believe, for various reasons, that their daughters should not attend any school?
  14. Standard membersh76
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    15 Sep '16 22:50
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    I concur that an individual student (such as a girl who's afflicted by sexist bullying) could
    have a better educational experience in a single-sex school. And I would submit that, for
    ideological reasons, sometimes it's practical for students, particularly girls, only to attend single-sex schools.

    "That's why, as always, giving parents (who know th ...[text shortened]... if the parents believe, for various reasons, that their daughters should not attend any school?
    Home schooling is a legitimate option.
  15. Zugzwang
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    16 Sep '16 21:06
    Originally posted by sh76
    Home schooling is a legitimate option.
    I know of parents who believe that their daughters should receive no education--anywhere--
    beyond the domestic skills required to make them into acceptable wives and mothers.

    One of my male relatives (who had four daughters and no sons--what a disappointment!)
    used to say that having 'too much' education would be 'wasted' upon girls, who would not need it.
    Fortunately, some of my other relatives talked to him and were able to convince him that,
    in a modern world, a young woman needed to learn enough to be able to provide for herself
    rather than depending (or desperately needing) a husband to do it for her.

    I would submit that a child may have a right to be educated in some ways of which one's parents disapprove.
    (Some parents would object to having their daughters being taught how to read and write.)
    I reject the proposition that children are nothing more, in effect, than the property of their parents.
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