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  1. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    15 Jun '18 15:591 edit
    More bad news for the Socialist country of Venezuela.

    The citizens there are now forming gangs, establishing territories, and fighting each other over bags of trash. Meanwhile, the country's main source of income is now abandoned and being looted. Say good bye to another failed Socialist State.

    Workers Flee and Thieves Loot Venezuela’s Reeling Oil Giant

    Thousands of workers are fleeing Venezuela’s state-owned oil company, abandoning once-coveted jobs made worthless by the worst inflation in the world. And now the hemorrhaging is threatening the nation’s chances of overcoming its long economic collapse, union leaders, oil executives and workers say. 6

    Desperate oil workers and criminals are also stripping the oil company of vital equipment, vehicles, pumps and copper wiring, carrying off whatever they can to make money. The double drain — of people and hardware — is further crippling a company that has been teetering for years yet remains the country’s most important source of income.

    The timing could not be worse for Venezuela’s increasingly authoritarian president, Nicolás Maduro, who was re-elected last month in a vote that has been widely condemned by leaders across the hemisphere. Prominent opposition politicians were either barred from competing in the election, imprisoned or in exile.

    https://www.wral.com/workers-flee-and-thieves-loot-venezuela-s-reeling-oil-giant/17628941/
  2. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    15 Jun '18 16:28
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    More bad news for the Socialist country of Venezuela.

    The citizens there are now forming gangs, establishing territories, and fighting each other over bags of trash. Meanwhile, the country's main source of income is now abandoned and being looted. Say good bye to another failed Socialist State.

    [b]Workers Flee and Thieves Loot Venezuela’s Reeling ...[text shortened]... e.

    https://www.wral.com/workers-flee-and-thieves-loot-venezuela-s-reeling-oil-giant/17628941/
    I think you'll find little appetite for this topic among the statists on this site. They're a bunch of know-it-alls until reality proves how dangerous their simple minded ideology actually is.
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    15 Jun '18 16:42
    They just did not implement socialism in the proper way.

    There is a super duper proper way to implement Socialism that the average simpleton cannot fathom.
  4. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    15 Jun '18 16:471 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    They just did not implement socialism in the proper way.

    There is a super duper proper way to implement Socialism that the average simpleton cannot fathom.
    From Venezuela to France, Socialism Is Failing All Over the World

    The Socialist Party of France took just 6.2 percent of the vote and fifth place. Meanwhile, English Laborer supporters are undergoing an internal crisis of deep character, the Spanish socialists struggle to maintain second place and something similar is going on in Germany and Scandinavia. Parties of the populist right, extreme left and even some liberals are rising against socialism in all its forms. The left have done worse in all the most recent free elections carried out in Latin America, with no signs of greater influence in Asia or Africa.

    Socialists created a model of government that, based on very high taxes, intended to transfer the wealth of those who have more toward those who have the least. They tried to accomplish this by creating the so-called welfare state, in which health, education, pensions and sometimes even housing became benefits offered by the government.

    Markets were regulated in a thousand different ways and controls were imposed on production. This model of government prevails today in Europe and, to a large extent, in the United States, but such intervention in society reveals its limitations over time. The size and expenditure of governments has been growing, resulting in colossal debt and severe economic crises that have been increasingly ineffective in providing the services they promise to offer, and undermine the rights and values of a free society.

    I am not so naive as to believe that voters today understand that the welfare state is a failed experiment. But the discomfort felt is obvious when looking at the negative consequences of immense, ineffective and exploitive governments. It explains why moderate socialists are suffering heavy losses in elections across the world.

    https://panampost.com/carlos-sabino/2017/04/27/socialism-is-failing-all-over-the-world/?cn-reloaded=1
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    15 Jun '18 16:53
    Originally posted by @whodey
    They just did not implement socialism in the proper way.

    There is a super duper proper way to implement Socialism that the average simpleton cannot fathom.
    I'm not a fan of Socialism myself.
    At least in its extreme form (communism).

    One of my favourite quotes.
    Socialism seeks to create the illusion of eliminating poverty by eliminating prosperity.

    A more moderate form which hybrids with free market system can be made to work.

    I also feel extreme capitalism (cowboy capitalism) and communism amount to the same thing.
    An unnatural concentration of wealth.
    The difference between the 2 ideology is who has it.
    The private sector or the State.

    It is said that Putin is wealthier than Bill Gates.

    If I had to pick between the 2, my money is on Bill Gates.
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    15 Jun '18 17:08
    Originally posted by @whodey
    They just did not implement socialism in the proper way.

    There is a super duper proper way to implement Socialism that the average simpleton cannot fathom.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
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    15 Jun '18 17:12
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/
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    15 Jun '18 17:151 edit
    Originally posted by @sleepyguy
    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/
    https://trump.org/articles/the-myth-of-trump-being-an-idiot

    Edit for the slow learners: don't follow the link.
  9. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    15 Jun '18 17:18
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    https://trump.org/articles/the-myth-of-trump-being-an-idiot
    "The owner of trump.org has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website."

    I guess that answers the question.
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    15 Jun '18 17:20
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    More bad news for the Socialist country of Venezuela.

    The citizens there are now forming gangs, establishing territories, and fighting each other over bags of trash. Meanwhile, the country's main source of income is now abandoned and being looted. Say good bye to another failed Socialist State.

    [b]Workers Flee and Thieves Loot Venezuela’s Reeling ...[text shortened]... e.

    https://www.wral.com/workers-flee-and-thieves-loot-venezuela-s-reeling-oil-giant/17628941/
    Isn't this like saying "capitalist Greece collapsing"?
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    15 Jun '18 17:22
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Isn't this like saying "capitalist Greece collapsing"?
    No, don't you understand? It's not about which policies are effective and which are not, it's about what label you put on them.
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    15 Jun '18 17:23
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    No, don't you understand? It's not about which policies are effective and which are not, it's about what label you put on them.
    I keep trying to tell him, it's all in the super duper implementation of socialism

    Cross your fingers, maybe you will get lucky. 😵
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    15 Jun '18 17:27
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I keep trying to tell him, it's all in the super duper implementation of socialism

    Cross your fingers, maybe you will get lucky. 😵
    Norway, Sweden, Finland, Canada....
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    15 Jun '18 17:31
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Norway, Sweden, Finland, Canada....
    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/
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    15 Jun '18 17:391 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Norway, Sweden, Finland, Canada....
    Venezuela, Cuba, Greece, North Korea............say, this is fun! 😵
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