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    Hey, whodey, why so silent about the Donald's caving in to Pelosi about the SOTU address?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-pelosi-state-of-the-union-reaction_us_5c49416be4b06ba6d3ba2c9a

    I half-expected Trump to agree to ending the shutdown just so he could have his grandstanding showboat moment on TV. Tony Schwartz thinks so too.

    You do know who Tony Schwartz is, don't you?

    "There is one reason I can imagine Trump finding a way to open the government by January 29. He desperately wants to give the State of the Union to Congress. It's always, always about his vanity."
    — Tony Schwartz (@tonyschwartz) January 23, 2019
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    @Suzianne

    Hey, whodey, why so silent about the Donald's caving in to Pelosi about the SOTU address?


    Neither Trump nor whodey know how to react to this. Trump is not used to hearing someone telling him "NO", and having the power to back it up, and whodey is not used to hearing - much of anything.
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    @suzianne said
    Hey, whodey, why so silent about the Donald's caving in to Pelosi about the SOTU address?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-pelosi-state-of-the-union-reaction_us_5c49416be4b06ba6d3ba2c9a

    I half-expected Trump to agree to ending the shutdown just so he could have his grandstanding showboat moment on TV. Tony Schwartz thinks so too.

    You do know who Tony Schw ...[text shortened]... ngress. It's always, always about his vanity."
    — Tony Schwartz (@tonyschwartz) January 23, 2019
    I'm not sure why he ever bothers talking to her when you already know what she will say.

    Pelosi is like and NPC player. No brain function, just repeated rhetoric and partisan talking points.

    So yea, I blame Trump for thinking he can even negotiate with these people

    The object should not be to reason with the unreasonable, they just need to be defeated is all.

    Even marauder thought that, the James Bond villain Pelosigalore", should have taken the deal.
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    @whodey said
    I'm not sure why he ever bothers talking to her when you already know what she will say.

    Pelosi is like and NPC player. No brain function, just repeated rhetoric and partisan talking points.

    So yea, I blame Trump for thinking he can even negotiate with these people

    The object should not be to reason with the unreasonable, they just need to be defeated is all.

    Even marauder thought that, the James Bond villain Pelosigalore", should have taken the deal.
    So, whodey. When do ya think Trump will do his next roadshow with his Trumpskulls ?

    Or is he a bit worried about that ?
    Maybe the placards in the trailer park crowd will make him nervous ?

    You know. The "Promises kept" replaced with "So what ?".
    And those "Lock her up !!" placards along with the chants will really make him nervous.
    You know, hitting a nerve just a bit ?
    And of course.
    Make America Great Again replaced by
    Make America Open for Business Again.

    Ouch !!
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    And for the 2020 campaign, the MAGA hats will be coming out in a nice blue color. 😀
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    @mghrn55 said
    So, whodey. When do ya think Trump will do his next roadshow with his Trumpskulls ?

    Or is he a bit worried about that ?
    Maybe the placards in the trailer park crowd will make him nervous ?

    You know. The "Promises kept" replaced with "So what ?".
    And those "Lock her up !!" placards along with the chants will really make him nervous.
    You know, hitting a nerve just a b ...[text shortened]... d of course.
    Make America Great Again replaced by
    Make America Open for Business Again.

    Ouch !!
    Had it ever occurred to you that Trump is simply playing Pelosi?

    Think about it, here you have a Dim party that only decades ago was talking about border control and building walls, but now they are for getting rid of walls and ICE so that anyone who wants to come across the border can, as they shuttle illegal immigrants with felony records all around US sanctuary cities. This, as about 300 Americans are murdered by the Drug cartels that control the US borders. The extremism is so rampant, that they would rather put their hands over their ears and yell, "La, la, la, la!" rather then even debate the issue or, dare I say it, "compromise".

    No, by Trump compromising the extend the SOTU address, he is the one that is showing the country that he can be reasoned with, but not the likes of Pelosi.

    The Left is has been reduced to a bunch of rabid, hate filled, drum beaters that scream people down and censor web sites so that people can debate issues. These are fascists that need to be defeated, not talked to.
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    @whodey said
    Had it ever occurred to you that Trump is simply playing Pelosi?

    Think about it, here you have a Dim party that only decades ago was talking about border control and building walls, but now they are for getting rid of walls and ICE so that anyone who wants to come across the border can, as they shuttle illegal immigrants with felony records all around US sanctuary cities. ...[text shortened]... sites so that people can debate issues. These are fascists that need to be defeated, not talked to.
    What has gotten drowned out by all the partisan white noise (on both sides)
    is that America is first and foremost a democracy.
    Not perfect, but the democracy that everyone looks up to.
    When that democracy is compromised, that puts everything else on the backburner.
    Economy, border security, healthcare, you name it.
    That's what this bitter fight is about.
    And yes, it brings out the worst of politics.
    Add to that the present atmosphere of polarization currently afflicting your country, you have a mess.

    That's why there is a Meuller investigation.
    To determine the legitimacy of this presidency.

    There are those that want to shut it down because the battle to determine the DNA of America for 21st century supercedes the health of the democracy.

    That is wrong thinking.
    The prevailing attitude that Trump is doing a great job in some areas is worthless if the administration is illegitimate.
    The Trump White House would still be better than Hamas providing charity to Palestinians, or Columbian drug cartels building churches and schools.
    But not much !!

    Mueller needs to complete his work.
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    @mghrn55 said
    What has gotten drowned out by all the partisan white noise (on both sides)
    is that America is first and foremost a democracy.
    Not perfect, but the democracy that everyone looks up to.
    When that democracy is compromised, that puts everything else on the backburner.
    Economy, border security, healthcare, you name it.
    That's what this bitter fight is about.
    And yes, it bri ...[text shortened]... drug cartels building churches and schools.
    But not much !!

    Mueller needs to complete his work.
    Mueller is just further evidence that anyone that challenges Swampland will be either treated like JFK or impeached.

    The immigration crisis was created by Swampland, and it will continue to be protected as such.
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    @whodey said
    Mueller is just further evidence that anyone that challenges Swampland will be either treated like JFK or impeached.

    The immigration crisis was created by Swampland, and it will continue to be protected as such.
    Why don't do enlighten us all.
    Please tell us what the swamp is.
    And is it any better than a campaign that smells like a swamp if there ever was one.
    Maybe you can get Stone's 2 little dogs to answer for you. 😛

    As to Mueller, he may represent Trump's best chance to filter through the swamp and the optics (much of it created by Trump) and present the facts that may actually exonerate Trump.

    But of course, you have other feelings about Trump's innocence, don't you.
    That's why you and the Trumpskulls are running around crying witch-hunt.
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    @suzianne said
    Hey, whodey, why so silent about the Donald's caving in to Pelosi about the SOTU address?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-pelosi-state-of-the-union-reaction_us_5c49416be4b06ba6d3ba2c9a

    I half-expected Trump to agree to ending the shutdown just so he could have his grandstanding showboat moment on TV. Tony Schwartz thinks so too.

    You do know who Tony Schw ...[text shortened]... ngress. It's always, always about his vanity."
    — Tony Schwartz (@tonyschwartz) January 23, 2019
    "There is one reason I can imagine Trump finding a way to open the government by January 29. He desperately wants to give the State of the Union to Congress. It's always, always about his vanity."
    — Tony Schwartz (@tonyschwartz) January 23, 2019


    Tony Schwartz is looking like the genius Trump wishes he was. It IS "always about his vanity".

    Now Trump will get the chance to push his "national emergency" plan to his base during the SOTU.

    I say go ahead, dude. Sign your own ticket to the Impeachment Ball. There's nothing that says High Crimes and Misdemeanors like using the office of President to promote your own personal monument agenda.
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    @mghrn55 said
    What has gotten drowned out by all the partisan white noise (on both sides)
    is that America is first and foremost a democracy.
    Not perfect, but the democracy that everyone looks up to.
    Not that y'all miss me, but I just cant chime in on your stuff here, especially when MGHRN says we are "First and foremost a democracy". We are not, we are a Republic. Here you go..." The Guarantee Clause in the Constitution (article 4, section 4) provides : 'The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government ........etc etc" Your representations such as this keep one from wasting his time responding to this debate. I'm going to count my money and wait for issues such as taking money from those who have earned it and giving it to strangers et al. Of course,, as Cortez begins caving, that will make for good fodder as well.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Not that y'all miss me, but I just cant chime in on your stuff here, especially when MGHRN says we are "First and foremost a democracy". We are not, we are a Republic. Here you go..." The Guarantee Clause in the Constitution (article 4, section 4) provides : 'The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government ........etc etc ...[text shortened]... it to strangers et al. Of course,, as Cortez begins caving, that will make for good fodder as well.
    My post was not intended to show favoritism towards either Socialism or free market capitalism.
    For the record, I favor the free market system.

    The issue raised in my post is that the democratic process was compromised in the 2016 election.

    The legitimacy of the current administration is under question here.
    Whether they lean left or right is secondary.

    You should be worried as an American citizen.
    I am worried. As a Canadian citizen.

    Of course, if you're swallowing the FOX Kool-Aid that if Trump isn't let off the hook, America will become a Socialist country in 2020 (just like Venezuela), then protecting the democratic process isn't that important to you.

    I'd just like to give you a little perspective.
    From someone on the outside looking in.
    I don't view the Dems as a Socialist party.
    To me they are centrist in nature.
    I would think that from your vantage point on the far right, anyone with political views to the left of you must be carrying the Communist Manifesto in their back pocket.
    I also think that your far right views are not driven by economic issues.
    But rather by your social conservatism.
    After all, your are still struggling to come to terms with the idea of recreational sex.
    You know. The term you coined when espousing your views on abortion.
    I tend to stay distant from the abortion debate in general.
    But I know what drives people like you on this debate.
    And it isn't the value of human life.
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    @mghrn55 said
    My post was not intended to show favoritism towards either Socialism or free market capitalism.
    For the record, I favor the free market system.

    The issue raised in my post is that the democratic process was compromised in the 2016 election.

    The legitimacy of the current administration is under question here.
    Whether they lean left or right is secondary.

    You should ...[text shortened]... eral.
    But I know what drives people like you on this debate.
    And it isn't the value of human life.
    I’m worried as an American citizen, strict Constitution guy. 2nd amendment,10th Amendment et al are all under attack by ‘the left’. Common knowledge. Serious business. Do away with 250 yr-old Electoral College. And regarding Your reference to effects of socialism ..... Do you not think Socialism=Venezuela? This is more common knowledge. OK, you say you don’t feel Dems are a socialist party. Sine the word ‘socialism’ appears in about every news story, which party do you think it is more like? Dems or Libs? That is, who are they and everyone in this site talking about?

    Centrist in nature? Dems who are touting unbelievable confiscation of moneyfrom producers are Centrist? You mention me,,,, I am socially and economically conservative 100%. I can discuss abortion, but hell, they are cutting spinal cords at 25 weeks I. NYC., it’s too late, that train has left the station. This is the beginning of Armageddon to me. Cud u abort a baby! Didn’t think so. As to what drives a debate, it’s hard to say with three issues in the same thread.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    I’m worried as an American citizen, strict Constitution guy. 2nd amendment,10th Amendment et al are all under attack by ‘the left’. Common knowledge. Serious business. Do away with 250 yr-old Electoral College. And regarding Your reference to effects of socialism ..... Do you not think Socialism=Venezuela? This is more common knowledge. OK, you say you don’t feel Dems ar ...[text shortened]... Didn’t think so. As to what drives a debate, it’s hard to say with three issues in the same thread.
    "Take the guns first, go through due process second." - Donald J. Trump
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    @averagejoe1 said
    I’m worried as an American citizen, strict Constitution guy. 2nd amendment,10th Amendment et al are all under attack by ‘the left’. Common knowledge. Serious business. Do away with 250 yr-old Electoral College. And regarding Your reference to effects of socialism ..... Do you not think Socialism=Venezuela? This is more common knowledge. OK, you say you don’t feel Dems ar ...[text shortened]... Didn’t think so. As to what drives a debate, it’s hard to say with three issues in the same thread.
    Socialism=Norway ?

    Point being the debate can go on and on.
    As I said, I favor the free market system.
    But I'm not all in.
    The polarization of the debate requires that one has to pick 0 or 1.
    Can't we just pick .5 ?

    As to your position on abortion valuing human life.
    Where are your values when gun deaths in the US run at about 35k/year ?

    Your position on abortion is driven by your morality.
    You essentially said so in another thread.
    Linking abortion to recreational sex.
    Why don't you tell us.
    Do you believe sex is for procreation only ?
    Put it on the table !!
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