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  1. Subscriberno1marauder
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    01 Mar '18 03:05
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    The blacks were not some absolute majority. Indeed, they came to South Africa after the Boers. Not only that, but they did not have the agricultural or otherwise technological knowledge to settle the land in any meaningful way -- they came literally attracted to the conditions which white farmers made.

    It was under Apartheid that the blck population ...[text shortened]... people like Marauder thinking they can try the same shenanigans and expect something different.
    Your racist diatribes are really sickening to behold. Pretending whites were in South Africa before the indigenous population is really getting ridiculous.

    Contrary to your shockingly ignorant statements (I suppose gained from reading white supremacist garbage), people have been working the land in Southern Africa long before whites. http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/when-why-and-where-first-african-farmers-settled-southern-africa

    You really are an idiot if you believe such nonsense.It is rampant stupidity to claim that whites were the majority in SA at any time in history.

    And stop denying your racism when you make posts like this:

    philo: Pretty much on every level the white South Africans have every light to run and manage the land, and the results will be infinitely superior to black rule.

    Well, I don't think they are going to let whites come back in and rule them, so get over it.
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    01 Mar '18 03:091 edit
    Whites are 9% of the population in South Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa) yet in 1994 owned 85% of the land because of racist laws like I have already cited. Even today, they still own 73%.https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/who-owns-sas-land-20171028

    Remedying the effects of white supremacist rule is long overdue.
  3. Subscriberno1marauder
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    01 Mar '18 03:20
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    The blacks were not some absolute majority. Indeed, they came to South Africa after the Boers. Not only that, but they did not have the agricultural or otherwise technological knowledge to settle the land in any meaningful way -- they came literally attracted to the conditions which white farmers made.

    It was under Apartheid that the blck population ...[text shortened]... people like Marauder thinking they can try the same shenanigans and expect something different.
    In the long history of stupid assertions on RHP, surely this one must rate in the Top 5:

    philo: The blacks were not some absolute majority. Indeed, they came to South Africa after the Boers. Not only that, but they did not have the agricultural or otherwise technological knowledge to settle the land in any meaningful way -- they came literally attracted to the conditions which white farmers made.


    In fact:

    The first humans are believed to have inhabited South Africa more than 100,000 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Africa

    Maybe Philo thinks they were Boers.🙄

    The Khoikhoi had settled in SA 2000 years ago; the Bantu entered a few hundred years after that. Perhaps Philo could present some evidence that they encountered the Boer there when they did.
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    01 Mar '18 05:12
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Your racist diatribes are really sickening to behold. Pretending whites were in South Africa before the indigenous population is really getting ridiculous.

    Contrary to your shockingly ignorant statements (I suppose gained from reading white supremacist garbage), people have been working the land in Southern Africa long before whites. http://www.sahis ...[text shortened]...

    Well, I don't think they are going to let whites come back in and rule them, so get over it.
    I do not think of it as racist at all.

    The farming used by the Europeans is extraordinarily different than primitive horticultural techniques, and the Europeans made South Africa (and Rhodesia) into prosperous lands. Zimbabwe has totally collapsed and has become just another destabilized African nation without white rule, white organization, and white expertise.

    South Africa has already been in economic freefall and decay with all manner of corruption and incapability of the new 'Rainbow nation' authorities.

    Running a civilization takes a lot of intelligence, skill, talent, etc.

    Of course, Africans can run successful nations. Ethiopia, for instance, is fairly successful, right. It is a matter of fact, though, that they have routinely failed because they do not have the expertise or skills at this point.

    Moreover, you are historically inaccurate. The European ssettled South Africa and made the mines and farms; the Khoisan people were incredibly primitive and had no testablished anything like that. It was a status of Terra Nullus just like Australia.

    The Zulus expanded later to take advantage of the prosperity that the white man created by settling the land.
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    01 Mar '18 05:14
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    In the long history of stupid assertions on RHP, surely this one must rate in the Top 5:

    philo: The blacks were not some absolute majority. Indeed, they came to South Africa after the Boers. Not only that, but they did not have the agricultural or otherwise technological knowledge to settle the land in any meaningful way -- they came literally attrac ...[text shortened]... t. Perhaps Philo could present some evidence that they encountered the Boer there when they did.
    Right, sure, who cares who the first people present were, though? They didn't settle or tame the land. They were living in the stone age.

    They got conquered.

    What do you prefer?

    Hospitals, books, doctors, and symphonies...

    Or sleeping next to a fire without a shelter, stone tools, witch doctors, and cannibalism?
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    01 Mar '18 05:15
    One of the issues with the Left, I think, is your unwillingness to accurately describe the world.

    Because you cannot accurately assess or describe situations, for fear of hurting other people's feelings, there is a challenge in actually engaging with reality.

    If you do not perceive the situation accurately, you cannot fix the problems that the society is actually facing. You cannot even notice the proper courses of economics and civilization.
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    01 Mar '18 05:16
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Whites are 9% of the population in South Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa) yet in 1994 owned 85% of the land because of racist laws like I have already cited. Even today, they still own 73%.https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/who-owns-sas-land-20171028

    Remedying the effects of white supremacist rule is long overdue.
    The whites deserved that land bcause they settled it and invested in it. They made it what it was.

    Besides, the blacks had better lives under white rule. Statistics and facts bear that out.

    If I build a very beautiful house as a minority living in another land, does that give the rights of the people to take it over?
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    01 Mar '18 08:571 edit
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    Right, sure, who cares who the first people present were, though? They didn't settle or tame the land. They were living in the stone age.

    They got conquered.

    What do you prefer?

    Hospitals, books, doctors, and symphonies...

    Or sleeping next to a fire without a shelter, stone tools, witch doctors, and cannibalism?
    Well they're not conquered anymore. They kicked the superior whites out of control. They would be justified to take back all the land stolen from their forefathers.

    You lack a moral compass to seriously assert that a group can simply steal from another group because, in their view, they can do a better job with the other group's stuff. Only a sociopath would make such an argument. Whatever Africans were doing with their land, it was their's and white criminals had no business stealing it.
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    01 Mar '18 09:57
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    One of the issues with the Left, I think, is your unwillingness to accurately describe the world.
    Well, Eugene T., maybe your opinion of how the world is isn't all that accurate anymore, either. We're not in 1950s JoBurg or 1850s Birmingham AL.
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    01 Mar '18 11:07
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    One of the issues with the Left, I think, is your unwillingness to accurately describe the world.

    Because you cannot accurately assess or describe situations, for fear of hurting other people's feelings, there is a challenge in actually engaging with reality.

    If you do not perceive the situation accurately, you cannot fix the problems that the so ...[text shortened]... ety is actually facing. You cannot even notice the proper courses of economics and civilization.
    Its not only the left that has an amnesia about the way of the world. Once you step down from your triumphalist view where the white man was saddled with the burden of bringing non white men, kicking and screaming into a modern industrial age, you might notice certain anomalies that make a fantasy of your wonderful feelgood fairy tale.

    Because your great civilizing project did not falter due to a lack of intelligence or application on the part of the black and brown man, rather the white minority in its English or Dutch descended form, always preferred to close off all avenues of education and advancement for the non white person, except for a very small favored few. And what was the white man afraid of? That the majority would get tired of tugging their collected forelock and genuflecting in their general direction when they were similarly empowered through education to participate unimpeded in every aspect of the economy?

    That great luminary of Afrikaner politic Hendrik Verwoerd was so caught up by his own brilliance that he was blinded to the fact that only he and his sycophants could not see past the bleeding obvious that Apartheid and separate development only favored the whites, a fact not lost on any non-white person, and the black majority by the economic imperatives of economic survival were enslaved into harsh working conditions, penned up in dormitory townships in one or two roomed dwellings, often 3 or 4 people to a room, cut off literally and metaphorically from all the riches that South Africa had to offer.

    But the British were always brilliant at teaching every other white man the value of rule 303, and how with God and their right/might, aided and abetted with liberal lashings of physical force, was all the authority you needed to assert your claims and rights above others, and the Afrikaner happily ran with that paradigm, corruptly grabbing the wealth of the land and heaping it into the hands of an increasingly spoiled minority, ever estranged to the blood, sweat, tears and denial of freedom that they imposed on the majority, in order to enjoy their pampered lifestyle.

    So spare us the turgid trotting out of white right benevolence. Its only because the whites were such a small minority, that their looting remained largely unseen. The famous trope of black corruption as exemplified by sell outs like Zuma and Co only tell us that South Africa has long been run on corrupt principles. It only looks bad now because the press is no longer muzzled on what it can safely report on, something it could never do under the strict fascism of National Party rule in South Africa from 1948 to the early 1990's.

    But don't forget and don't misrepresent the truth of the economic miracles of South Africa and Rhodesia in the middle part of the 20th century. It came about by violent suppression of all civilized rights of black peoples living in South Africa and Rhodesia. Townships with one road in and one road out were common. Police with German Alsatian dog squads patrolled these townships with absolute impunity, stopping residents and requiring them to show their pass-books to indicate legal standing in those areas. It would be fair to say, that while the whites and a small minority of nonwhites enjoyed first class first world facilities and amenities, the vast majority lived the most oppressed, squalid and servile lifestyles of any group of people in the recent past when compared to the lifestyles of the minority that had captured them and held them hostage to their protestations of culture and civilization and moral imperative infused with base hypocrisy as the hand that held the whip also claimed the revelation of Christ.

    But hey, don't let that slow your roll, don't let that bother you or your narrative. You live in a free world where every opinion is celebrated as truth and has value, so don''t let anyone stand in your way and, carry on.....
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    01 Mar '18 11:14
    Originally posted by @kmax87
    Its not only the left that has an amnesia about the way of the world. Once you step down from your triumphalist view where the white man was saddled with the burden of bringing non white men, kicking and screaming into a modern industrial age, you might notice certain anomalies that make a fantasy of your wonderful feelgood fairy tale.

    Because your great ...[text shortened]... is celebrated as truth and has value, so don''t let anyone stand in your way and, carry on.....
    black this, white that.

    More racist crap from the racist kmax.
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    01 Mar '18 11:29
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    black this, white that.

    More racist crap from the racist kmax.
    Well you never grew up in South Africa you lily-livered cod fish. With very few exceptions color stamped your position in the pecking order in South Africa. But you're such a snowflake. You get offended by the use of well used, well understood terms and then would somehow attempt to nullify a long history of the impact of the use of those terms by facile objection?!

    You really have to do better than that. Was that something they wrote on your report card a lot? I wonder!
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    01 Mar '18 11:32
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    Well, Eugene T., maybe your opinion of how the world is isn't all that accurate anymore, either. We're not in 1950s JoBurg or 1850s Birmingham AL.
    I lolled at Eugene T. Him and his Ossewabrandwag mates. And they were the superior race.........
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    01 Mar '18 11:35
    Originally posted by @kmax87
    Well you never grew up in South Africa you lily-livered cod fish. With very few exceptions color stamped your position in the pecking order in South Africa. But you're such a snowflake. You get offended by the use of well used, well understood terms and then would somehow attempt to nullify a long history of the impact of the use of those terms by facile obj ...[text shortened]... have to do better than that. Was that something they wrote on your report card a lot? I wonder!
    Grateful for my time living and working in SA, helps me see through your BS
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    01 Mar '18 11:49
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    Grateful for my time living and working in SA, helps me see through your BS
    With a bunch of like-minded post racial libertarians......Tell me more...!
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