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  1. Standard memberfinnegan
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    02 Feb '17 18:23
    Bannon subscribes to a peculiar theory of American history according to which, for reasons which are unclear, it experiences a major crisis every eighty years or so, in which it is possible to radically remake the social order. The current crisis of politics, coming roughly eighty years since the New Deal era, is thus read as the proof of that theory. (Alarmingly enough, Bannon, now freshly ensconced in the National Security Council, takes this to mean a major global war, bigger than the last world war.) This is the basis for Bannon's confidence in action, but also his urgency -- since there is only a limited historical window in which to act before the initiative passes to someone else, or the crisis runs out of steam.

    This makes Bannon, not a master manipulator, but a dangerous mystic and a gambler. He might as well base his actions on the idea that the crisis betokens Rapture. This is not to say that he is stupid. ... all political intervention involves a roll of the dice somewhere, and the metapolitical assumptions guiding every wager are usually founded on a faith of some kind.

    http://www.leninology.co.uk/2017/01/against-omniscience.html
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    02 Feb '17 18:32
    The argument in the source cited seems to me to boil down as follows:

    - Conspiracy theories are very satisfying but fail to explain or predict anything useful. They are a substitute for serious political thought.

    - Instead, we need to make an effort to understand what belief system is driving key political actors.

    - In Bannon's case, for example, the beliefs he bring to his new job are terrifyingly weird - terrifying because they may become self fulfilling.
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    02 Feb '17 19:09
    Bannon and Breitbart have been champions for the right for some time, investigating and exposing the corruption of the Left.
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    02 Feb '17 19:22
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Bannon and Breitbart have been champions for the right for some time, investigating and exposing the corruption of the Left.
    ...offering "alternative facts" to masquerade as truth.
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    02 Feb '17 19:24
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    ...offering "alternative facts" to masquerade as truth.
    Every one has an opinion to what is fake and what is not....
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    02 Feb '17 19:30
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Every one has an opinion to what is fake and what is not....
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bannon-explained-his-worldview-well-before-it-became-official-us-policy/2017/01/31/2f4102ac-e7ca-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?utm_term=.8972addf060a
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    02 Feb '17 19:37
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Every one has an opinion to what is fake and what is not....
    http://time.com/4657665/steve-bannon-donald-trump/
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    02 Feb '17 19:411 edit
    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14439908/steve-bannon-worldview-visa-ban

    "But I strongly believe that whatever the causes of the current drive to the caliphate was — and we can debate them, and people can try to deconstruct them — we have to face a very unpleasant fact. And that unpleasant fact is that there is a major war brewing, a war that’s already global. It’s going global in scale, and today’s technology, today’s media, today’s access to weapons of mass destruction, it’s going to lead to a global conflict that I believe has to be confronted today."

    Another pretty worrying resume of his half-baked beliefs, which imho would have support on this forum. It seems Eladar and Whodey have become mainstream and now run the country.
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    02 Feb '17 20:01
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Every one has an opinion to what is fake and what is not....
    And presumably everyone's opinion has equal weight - we have no criteria for critical thought or discrimination between competing accounts.
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    02 Feb '17 20:02
    Lest we forget David Axlerod....Obama's right hand man, advisor...
    Far left with communist ties....
    https://spectator.org/62530_david-axelrods-ongoing-commie-connections/
    https://spectator.org/36072_david-axelrod-lefty-lumberjack/
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    02 Feb '17 20:161 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Lest we forget David Axlerod....Obama's right hand man, advisor...
    Far left with communist ties....
    https://spectator.org/62530_david-axelrods-ongoing-commie-connections/
    https://spectator.org/36072_david-axelrod-lefty-lumberjack/
    "No, it doesn’t make Axelrod a secret member of Communist Party USA, or Barack Obama the Manchurian Candidate, but these radical-left pasts had an impact that should never be casually dismissed."

    Methinks - reds under the bed. Now what is the relevance to anything? Bear in mind I am a socialist and I find typical American attitudes to "the LEFT" absurd.
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    02 Feb '17 20:21
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/steve-bannon-donald-trump-war-south-china-sea-no-doubt

    "The United States and China will fight a war within the next 10 years over islands in the South China Sea, and “there’s no doubt about that”. At the same time, the US will be in another “major” war in the Middle East."

    "“You have an expansionist Islam and you have an expansionist China. Right? They are motivated. They’re arrogant. They’re on the march. And they think the Judeo-Christian west is on the retreat,” Bannon said during a February 2016 radio show.

    On the day Trump was inaugurated, China’s military warned that war between the two countries was a real possibility.

    “A ‘war within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality,” an official wrote on the website of the People’s Liberation Army."

    "“The one thing the Chinese fear more than America … they fear Christianity more than anything,” he said."

    "“Some of these situations may get a little unpleasant,” Bannon said in November 2015. “But you know what, we’re in a war. We’re clearly going into, I think, a major shooting war in the Middle East again.”"

    Great news. America is going to war again and this time it will be big - huge.
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    02 Feb '17 21:23
    Grotesque misrepresentation, the actions of a rogue state (the USA).

    YouTube

    This aggressive posturing, searching for a spurious pretext, is disgusting, but it seems this is where the USA wants to go.
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    02 Feb '17 22:45
    Originally posted by finnegan
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/steve-bannon-donald-trump-war-south-china-sea-no-doubt

    "The United States and China will fight a war within the next 10 years over islands in the South China Sea, and “there’s no doubt about that”. At the same time, the US will be in another “major” war in the Middle East."

    "“You have an expansionist Isl ...[text shortened]... East again.”"

    Great news. America is going to war again and this time it will be big - huge.

    "The United States and China will fight a war within the next 10 years over islands in the South China Sea, and “there’s no doubt about that”. At the same time, the US will be in another “major” war in the Middle East."


    Gotta love these predictions from the experts who almost guaranteed a Clinton victory.😴
  15. Standard memberfinnegan
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    02 Feb '17 23:331 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
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    "The United States and China will fight a war within the next 10 years over islands in the South China Sea, and “there’s no doubt about that”. At the same time, the US will be in another “major” war in the Middle East."


    Gotta love these predictions from the experts who almost guaranteed a Clinton victory.😴[/b]
    The expert making these predictions was Steve Bannon. As Trump's "Chief Strategist" [you have to laugh] he is now in a very good position to make his own predictions self fulfilling.

    Remind yourself of this next time you use the term "idiot"
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