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  1. 23 Jan '17 17:54
    The future for women in the Trump/GOP led U.S. federal government will be very grim.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding
  2. 23 Jan '17 18:27
    According to this NY at least had the highest very recently

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/01/health/maternal-mortality-rate-u-s-increasing-why/
  3. 23 Jan '17 19:32
    Originally posted by Eladar
    According to this NY at least had the highest very recently

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/01/health/maternal-mortality-rate-u-s-increasing-why/
    I'm quite sure the rest of the U.S. will be there before the end of 2017. Very sad.
  4. 23 Jan '17 20:18
    Originally posted by Phranny
    I'm quite sure the rest of the U.S. will be there before the end of 2017. Very sad.
    The link says the biggest reason is obesity. That would make perfect sense.
  5. 24 Jan '17 00:21
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The link says the biggest reason is obesity. That would make perfect sense.
    Impoverished people often live in food deserts where healthy food is very expensive and fattening food is cheaper and more accessible. Think of how expensive an apple is when you are in an airport or pull off the Interstate to grab fast food.
  6. 24 Jan '17 00:41
    Originally posted by Phranny
    Impoverished people often live in food deserts where healthy food is very expensive and fattening food is cheaper and more accessible. Think of how expensive an apple is when you are in an airport or pull off the Interstate to grab fast food.
    Since they can use welfare to buy chips and soda, why not?

    Ice cream and candy are eligible items too.
  7. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    24 Jan '17 19:34
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The link says the biggest reason is obesity. That would make perfect sense.
    The New York article discussed obesity as one of quite a number of factors. To select this out as the "biggest reason" is not valid. However, this presumably fits with an agenda of blaming the victims, unless you are prepared to investigate why obesity has become such a problem. Each individual may be responsible for their own health to a great extent but when there is a massive transformation across a whole society, as in the astonishing growth of obesity since the Seventies, then the explanation lies in something other than individual choices.

    However, whatever the proposed cause, there is no doubt of the proposed solution, and that, according to the same article, is to offer improved health care.

    "We need to have quick, easy, 24/7 access to a skilled person that's not burdensome, that's not expensive, that's not difficult, that you don't have to drive an hour and a half to get to," she said.
    More states implementing evidence-based guidelines and recommended practices for dealing with pregnancy and childbirth complications across every hospital in the state would also help bring the number of deaths down,

    In the Texas article, of course, the entire point was the correlation of escalating deaths and slashed services:

    "From 2000 to the end of 2010, Texas’s estimated maternal mortality rate hovered between 17.7 and 18.6 per 100,000 births. But after 2010, that rate had leaped to 33 deaths per 100,000, and in 2014 it was 35.8. Between 2010 and 2014, more than 600 women died for reasons related to their pregnancies.

    No other state saw a comparable increase.

    In the wake of the report, reproductive health advocates are blaming the increase on Republican-led budget cuts that decimated the ranks of Texas’s reproductive healthcare clinics. In 2011, just as the spike began, the Texas state legislature cut $73.6m from the state’s family planning budget of $111.5m. The two-thirds cut forced more than 80 family planning clinics to shut down across the state. The remaining clinics managed to provide services – such as low-cost or free birth control, cancer screenings and well-woman exams – to only half as many women as before.

    At the same time, Texas eliminated all Planned Parenthood clinics – whether or not they provided abortion services – from the state program that provides poor women with preventive healthcare. "

    Since the new Trump administration will now slash women's health services across the USA and also slash funding for services abroad, we can predict the outcome with near certainty - escalating mortality rates among women.

    That is shameful and to try and push aside this carnage with childish blame-the-victim platitudes is pretty disgusting.

    Let's get this clear. You now have a president who is taking action leading directly to the avoidable deaths of many American women. Wow. What a state of affairs.
  8. 24 Jan '17 19:38 / 1 edit
    Planned Parenthood does not provide prenatal care.

    In any case, the money slated for Planned Parenthood would go to other women's medical services organizations.

    Blame the victim is rich coming from a supporter of abortions.
  9. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    24 Jan '17 20:53
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Planned Parenthood does not provide prenatal care.

    In any case, the money slated for Planned Parenthood would go to other women's medical services organizations.

    Blame the victim is rich coming from a supporter of abortions.
    Quibbe away to extend the debate and distract from the blatant reality of appalling maternal mortality rates in the world's wealthiest ecnomy. Trump's actons amount to an assault against women. Many more will now die avoidably.
  10. 24 Jan '17 21:14
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Quibbe away to extend the debate and distract from the blatant reality of appalling maternal mortality rates in the world's wealthiest ecnomy. Trump's actons amount to an assault against women. Many more will now die avoidably.
    Nice to know your opinion. Figured that is what you'd say but still thanks for taking the time.
  11. 24 Jan '17 21:55 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Phranny
    The future for women in the Trump/GOP led U.S. federal government will be very grim.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding
    Should most (52% ) white American women have considered this before they voted for Donald Trump?
  12. 24 Jan '17 22:34
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Should most (52% ) white American women have considered this before they voted for Donald Trump?
    My wife did. She is very prolife you sexist.
  13. 24 Jan '17 22:48
    Originally posted by Eladar
    My wife did. She is very prolife you sexist.
    Let's have Eladar's wife meet Phranny or Suzianne for lunch.
  14. 24 Jan '17 22:52
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Let's have Eladar's wife meet Phranny or Suzianne for lunch.
    If you'd like to set it up and pay for transport.

    She says her sex organs do not define her political beliefs.
  15. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    24 Jan '17 23:08
    Originally posted by Eladar
    My wife did. She is very prolife you sexist.
    Pro Life as in lets reduce Iran to glass?