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  1. 06 Dec '09 21:26
    http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2009/12/04/unemployment-still-10

    (by) Totally Conservative

    The 10 Poorest Cities in the USA
    When we see liberal, socialistic ideas and beliefs attain power,
    the following is almost always the result.
    The Census Bureau released ( in 2008 )
    reams of data about poverty in the United States.
    The ranking, including the percentage in poverty, is as follows:
    1. Detroit, 32.5
    2. Buffalo, 29.9
    3. Cincinnati, 27.8
    4. Cleveland, 27.0
    5. Miami, 26.9
    6. St. Louis, 26.8
    7. El Paso, 26.4
    8. Milwaukee, 26.2
    9. Philadelphia, 25.1
    10. Newark, 24.2
    What do these top ten cities with the highest proverty rate all have in common?
    Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list)
    hasn ' t elected a Republican mayor since - 1961;
    Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn ' t elected one since 1954;
    Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984;
    Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989;
    Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
    St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949;
    Elpaso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
    Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908;
    Philadephia, PA (9th)...since 1952;
    Newark, NJ (10th) ... since 1907.
    It is the disadvantaged who elect Democrats
    yet they have always remained disadvantaged.
    Einstein once said,
    "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again,
    and expecting different results."
    Sunday, December 06, 2009 at 03:45 PM
  2. 06 Dec '09 21:32
    You are out of your mind if you think that the republicans are more of an ally to the poor than the democrats.
  3. 06 Dec '09 23:44
    Detroit, MI: NINETEEN SIXTY ONE
  4. 06 Dec '09 23:51
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2009/12/04/unemployment-still-10

    (by) Totally Conservative

    The 10 Poorest Cities in the USA
    When we see liberal, socialistic ideas and beliefs attain power,
    the following is almost always the result.
    The Census Bureau released ( in 2008 )
    reams of data about poverty in the United States.
    The ranking, includin ...[text shortened]... er and over again,
    and expecting different results."
    Sunday, December 06, 2009 at 03:45 PM
    Just how much power do you think mayors have (aside from Mayor Daley)? Our mayor is mostly decorative. I think he gets in chili cook-offs with the mayor of Albuquerque. He certainly isn't in charge of jobs, schools, health care, housing, etc.

    So what exactly do you think a republican mayor would do that a democratic mayor can't or wouldn't in exactly the same circumstances?
  5. 06 Dec '09 23:57
    Originally posted by badmoon
    You are out of your mind if you think that the republicans are more of an ally to the poor than the democrats.
    Where is your counter-evidence to argue the point?

    Results count more than stated intentions.
  6. 06 Dec '09 23:58
    Originally posted by pawnhandler
    Just how much power do you think mayors have (aside from Mayor Daley)? Our mayor is mostly decorative. I think he gets in chili cook-offs with the mayor of Albuquerque. He certainly isn't in charge of jobs, schools, health care, housing, etc.

    So what exactly do you think a republican mayor would do that a democratic mayor can't or wouldn't in exactly the same circumstances?
    How about seeking and attracting businesses, city taxes versus tax credits for businesses, development, policing, budgeting...
  7. 07 Dec '09 00:11
    Originally posted by eljefejesus
    How about seeking and attracting businesses, city taxes versus tax credits for businesses, development, policing, budgeting...
    All of which are almost entirely controled on the state level.

    But yeah, what would "liberal" cities like San Jose, San Fransisco and Berkeley know about attracting business?

    I mean besides being the business district powerhouse. The entire area was named "Silicon Valley", which is largley considered the technology capital of the world.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 Dec '09 01:37
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    All of which are almost entirely controled on the state level.

    But yeah, what would "liberal" cities like San Jose, San Fransisco and Berkeley know about attracting business?

    I mean besides being the business district powerhouse. The entire area was named "Silicon Valley", which is largley considered the technology capital of the world.
    Beverly Hills has twice as many Dems as Republicans.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 Dec '09 01:42 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by eljefejesus
    Where is your counter-evidence to argue the point?

    Results count more than stated intentions.
    Both the recent recession and the Great Depression began with Republicans in office and ended with Democrats in office.

    Obama was hardly from a rich background.
  10. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    07 Dec '09 02:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Both the recent recession and the Great Depression began with Republicans in office and ended with Democrats in office.

    Obama was hardly from a rich background.
    FDR has over 12 years in office. Do you really think the Depression was going to last forever?

    Jury's very much still out on whether the New Deal ended the Great depression (in which case it took an awful long time to work) or extended it for years. Most of the depression years were under FDR.

    Recessions are cyclical. To point to under whom it started and under whom it ended is silly. The previous recession started right as Clinton was leaving office (and of course was caused by factors that occurred while Clinton was in office) and ended under GW Bush.

    As for the OP, it's a chicken and egg question. Perhaps people vote Dem because they're poor. I don't think it's that they're poor because they vote Dem. In any case, another major factor reason which many people may be too PC to bring up is the obvious fact that for whatever reason, minorities in the US tend to be poorer and minorities in the US tend to vote Dem. Obviously, the cities on that list have high minority populations.
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 Dec '09 02:17
    Originally posted by sh76
    FDR has over 12 years in office. Do you really think the Depression was going to last forever?

    Jury's very much still out on whether the New Deal ended the Great depression (in which case it took an awful long time to work) or extended it for years. Most of the depression years were under FDR.

    Recessions are cyclical. To point to under whom it started and ...[text shortened]... he US tend to vote Dem. Obviously, the cities on that list have high minority populations.
    My counter-evidence, while not necessarily the strongest, is at LEAST as strong as the "no Republican Mayor" evidence.
  12. 07 Dec '09 12:32
    Originally posted by sh76
    FDR has over 12 years in office. Do you really think the Depression was going to last forever?

    Jury's very much still out on whether the New Deal ended the Great depression (in which case it took an awful long time to work) or extended it for years. Most of the depression years were under FDR.

    Recessions are cyclical. To point to under whom it started and ...[text shortened]... he US tend to vote Dem. Obviously, the cities on that list have high minority populations.
    Large cities in general tend to vote Democratic. I agree that recessions are cyclical. Even the 90's had a least one recession that I can remember, the Asian market crisis in 1998.

    But that one has less severe and much more breif.
  13. 07 Dec '09 12:45
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2009/12/04/unemployment-still-10

    (by) Totally Conservative

    The 10 Poorest Cities in the USA
    When we see liberal, socialistic ideas and beliefs attain power,
    the following is almost always the result.
    The Census Bureau released ( in 2008 )
    reams of data about poverty in the United States.
    The ranking, includin ...[text shortened]... er and over again,
    and expecting different results."
    Sunday, December 06, 2009 at 03:45 PM
    I would love for you to do a simiar study regarding state debt. You know, states like California and New York. They are run by a bunch of libs ever since I can remember and now look at them. Both states have been run into the ground and continue their spend thrift ways.
  14. 07 Dec '09 13:35
    Originally posted by whodey
    I would love for you to do a simiar study regarding state debt. You know, states like California and New York. They are run by a bunch of libs ever since I can remember and now look at them. Both states have been run into the ground and continue their spend thrift ways.
    You actually think zeelbot did a study?
  15. 07 Dec '09 13:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    I would love for you to do a simiar study regarding state debt. You know, states like California and New York. They are run by a bunch of libs ever since I can remember and now look at them. Both states have been run into the ground and continue their spend thrift ways.
    You just named two of the country's largest economies. California alone is the 5th largest economy in the world - as compared to other countries. California (one state out of fivety) is 1/3 the entire nation's economy.

    Edit: Also, "run by a bunch of Libs ever since I can remember" LOL!

    Pete Wilson, former Governor of California (prior to Grey Davis), Republican. Can you remember five minutes ago? California's current Governor is a Republican. Perhaps you should.... do a study.