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    21 Aug '16 12:15
    A rather fascinating article on the the death of neoliberalism and how it gave rise to politicians like Corbyn, Sanders and Trump.

    Dramatic as events have been in the UK, they cannot compare with those in the United States. Almost from nowhere, Donald Trump rose to capture the Republican nomination and confound virtually all the pundits and not least his own party. His message was straightforwardly anti-globalisation. He believes that the interests of the working class have been sacrificed in favour of the big corporations that have been encouraged to invest around the world and thereby deprive American workers of their jobs. Further, he argues that large-scale immigration has weakened the bargaining power of American workers and served to lower their wages.

    He proposes that US corporations should be required to invest their cash reserves in the US. He believes that the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) has had the effect of exporting American jobs to Mexico. On similar grounds, he is opposed to the TPP and the TTIP. And he also accuses China of stealing American jobs, threatening to impose a 45% tariff on Chinese imports.

    To globalisation Trump counterposes economic nationalism: “Put America first”. His appeal, above all, is to the white working class who, until Trump’s (and Bernie Sander’s) arrival on the political scene, had been ignored and largely unrepresented since the 1980s. Given that their wages have been falling for most of the last 40 years, it is extraordinary how their interests have been neglected by the political class. Increasingly, they have voted Republican, but the Republicans have long been captured by the super-rich and Wall Street, whose interests, as hyper-globalisers, have run directly counter to those of the white working class. With the arrival of Trump they finally found a representative: they won Trump the Republican nomination.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/21/death-of-neoliberalism-crisis-in-western-politics
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    21 Aug '16 12:43
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    A rather fascinating article on the the death of neoliberalism and how it gave rise to politicians like Corbyn, Sanders and Trump.

    Dramatic as events have been in the UK, they cannot compare with those in the United States. Almost from nowhere, Donald Trump rose to capture the Republican nomination and confound virtually all the pundits and not le ...[text shortened]... /www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/21/death-of-neoliberalism-crisis-in-western-politics
    The "death" of neoliberalism?? Don't make me laugh.

    Neoliberalism in this country is going to pass the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement directly after the election. Neoliberalism is not dead, far from it. Globalization continues apace.

    And you are a huge fool if you think that anything that passes Trump's lips is the truth. He is an ignorant liar, driven by ego and his unmitigated love of himself. He doesn't give a good god damn about the middle class in this country. He's merely using them to obtain the highest office in the land, and he's telling them exactly what they want to hear so that they vote for him.

    And the only reason you back this man is because it makes you giggle to think of America following this man right down into the pit where you think America belongs.
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    21 Aug '16 14:07
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    The "death" of neoliberalism?? Don't make me laugh.

    Neoliberalism in this country is going to pass the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement directly after the election. Neoliberalism is not dead, far from it. Globalization continues apace.

    And you are a huge fool if you think that anything that passes Trump's lips is the truth. He is an ignor ...[text shortened]... to think of America following this man right down into the pit where you think America belongs.
    Please someone find the tone control for her.
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    22 Aug '16 08:58
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Please someone find the tone control for her.
    Just like a Republican.

    "All sensationalism, all the time! No one wants to listen to boring old 'issues' as long as you're saying outrageous things!"
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    22 Aug '16 10:40
    Neo-liberalism should have died in the 2008 stock market crash.

    Alas! Rats, cockroaches and capitalists seem to survive everything.
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    22 Aug '16 12:23
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    A rather fascinating article on the the death of neoliberalism and how it gave rise to politicians like Corbyn, Sanders and Trump.

    Dramatic as events have been in the UK, they cannot compare with those in the United States. Almost from nowhere, Donald Trump rose to capture the Republican nomination and confound virtually all the pundits and not le ...[text shortened]... /www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/21/death-of-neoliberalism-crisis-in-western-politics
    Donald Trump seems to favor erecting really big barriers around America, and slamming the door shut. I just don't see this working.
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    22 Aug '16 15:531 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    Donald Trump seems to favor erecting really big barriers around America, and slamming the door shut. I just don't see this working.
    Actually I think the opposite is not working, companies moving their operations overseas or to places like Mexico to take advantage of cheaper labour. Its difficult to see how this is beneficial for American workers. It might benefit the companies but it doesn't benefit American workers. He is also against illegal immigration for the same reason, its the influx of cheap labour which undermines the bargaining power of American workers. All this is of course directly traceable to the neoliberal ideology of globalism, free markets, free movement of people etc etc.
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