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  1. Pacific Ocean
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    20 Feb '19 13:27
    Maybe their are a fair few that's gone underground already?
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    20 Feb '19 13:481 edit
    @hells-caretaker said
    Maybe their are a fair few that's gone underground already?
    AOC says that she wants to ban ISIS from the border.

    Just kidding.
  3. Pacific Ocean
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    20 Feb '19 15:18
    :-) It's Ql Qaeda all over again, Ironic!!
  4. Subscribermoonbus
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    @hells-caretaker said
    Maybe their are a fair few that's gone underground already?
    If you hit a bubble of mercury with a hammer, it does not destroy the mercury; the mercury just scatters in all directions in tiny blobs. That’s what happened when the US invaded Afghanistan to topple the Taliban. The Taliban regrouped and are now poised to reclaim the territory as soon as the US forces withdraw.

    The same thing happened with al Quaida. They regrouped.

    The same thing is going to happen with IS. They lost ground in one place, so they will retreat and regroup. Their ideology lives on, because the grievances which led to the rise of the Taliban, and al Quaida, and IS, have not been resolved.
  5. Pacific Ocean
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    23 Feb '19 10:56
    @moonbus

    Nor will they be, given the current climate of shift some sand with bullet's & bombs and then claim victory.

    What grieves me the most is the constant meddling in Middle East affairs. Some say it's down to oil others say it's trying out new weaponry/keeping the military well honed etc.

    The fuel for constant conflict seems to be a combination of Russia, America, Iran & to a lesser extent Israel/China. And the poodle Great Britain.
  6. Subscriberno1marauder
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    23 Feb '19 14:36
    @hells-caretaker said
    :-) It's Ql Qaeda all over again, Ironic!!
    Not quite; if the Islamic State doesn't control territory it's entire ideological position is seriously undermined:

    Its dramatic loss of territory has eroded the IS’s legitimacy, which was based on territorial control and continuous territorial expansion, which distinguished it from al-Qaʿida and other jihadist organizations. This drive to continuously expand its territorial control, as promised in the group's rallying cry, bakiyyah wa tatamadad (literally: remaining and expanding), was an important part of the organization’s founding principles. It allowed the Islamic State to offer services to the civilian population that was under its control, and to implement its radical interpretation of Islamic law (shariʿa). Thus, losing control over large parts of Iraq and Syria was a serious blow to the organization, which marketed itself as the realization of "the promise of Allah" (as it titled its caliphate declaration in June 2014) and a long held ideal in Islamic history, the caliphate-state, with its intention to continuously expand across the Middle East.

    In addition to losing territory, the group also lost its large flow of foreign fighters. After it declared its caliphate in 2014, between 27,000 and 31,000 people (men and women) from 86 countries flocked to the IS stronghold and joined its ranks.[5] These volunteers came in response to the call to Muslims worldwide to perform hijrah and immigrate to the Islamic State. As a result of this mobilization between 2014 and 2016, many countries were faced with challenge of trying to prevent people from traveling to Iraq and Syria to join the group. However, since the collapse of the caliphate, thousands of foreign fighters have attempted to return to their countries of origin, dramatically affecting the IS's operations.

    https://dayan.org/content/islamic-state-without-state
  7. Pacific Ocean
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    24 Feb '19 11:35
    It allowed the Islamic State to offer services to the civilian population that was under its control, and to implement its radical interpretation of Islamic law (shariʿa).

    Seriously, beyond the terrorist (hacking heads off) ideal with none compliance to any religion beyond sharia law, no structure diplomatically, resources - nil, apart from separate countries across the globe fuelling the side show. Who is/was supplying this 'Caliph' organisation?

    It smacks of sympathisers to the I.R.A. in Ireland, and it turned out to be the Irish in America. The only thing that packed that in was 9/11.
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