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  1. 17 Dec '14 17:16
    IRISH: THE FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES

    They came as slaves: human cargo transported on British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

    Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. Some were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

    We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

    But are we talking about African slavery? King James VI and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbour.

    The Irish slave trade began when James VI sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.

    By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

    Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

    From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade.

    Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

    During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia.

    Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

    Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

    As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

    African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (£50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than £5 Sterling). If a planter whipped, branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

    The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce.

    Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish mothers, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their children and would remain in servitude.

    In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls (many as young as 12) with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

    This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

    England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

    There is little question the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more, in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is also little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

    In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end its participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded this chapter of Irish misery.

    But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.

    But, why is it so seldom discussed? Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims not merit more than a mention from an unknown writer?

    Or is their story to be the one that their English masters intended: To completely disappear as if it never happened.

    None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    17 Dec '14 17:24
    ARMORED CARS AND TANKS AND GUNS
    CAME TO TAKE AWAY OUR SONS
    SO EVERY MAN MUST STAND BEHIND
    THE MEN BEHIND THE WIRE
  3. 17 Dec '14 17:42
    But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.
  4. 17 Dec '14 17:48
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    IRISH: THE FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES

    They came as slaves: human cargo transported on British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

    Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their hu ...[text shortened]... eal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.
    nobody thinks blacks were the only slaves. what's your point?
  5. 17 Dec '14 17:50
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    IRISH: THE FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES

    They came as slaves: human cargo transported on British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

    Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their hu ...[text shortened]... eal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.
    just as a side note, irish americans aren't treated like the african americans are.

    so again, what is it you are trying to communicate?
  6. 17 Dec '14 18:32
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    nobody thinks blacks were the only slaves. what's your point?
    In the US they do.
  7. 17 Dec '14 18:35
    Originally posted by Eladar
    In the US they do.
    those that do are ignorant, without any knowledge of history. are you claiming americans are mostly ignorant of history? are you claiming american education is so appalling that it's unable to teach this very basic historical fact?

    oh, wait, nevermind.
  8. 17 Dec '14 19:03
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    just as a side note, irish americans aren't treated like the african americans are.

    so again, what is it you are trying to communicate?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boO4RowROiw
  9. 17 Dec '14 19:08
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    those that do are ignorant, without any knowledge of history. are you claiming americans are mostly ignorant of history? are you claiming american education is so appalling that it's unable to teach this very basic historical fact?

    oh, wait, nevermind.
    I think the only ignorant person in this discussion is you. You are not an American so you are ignorant of the fact that this is a discussion purely about slavery in the US.
  10. 17 Dec '14 22:15
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    IRISH: THE FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES

    They came as slaves: human cargo transported on British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

    Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their hu ...[text shortened]... eal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.
    Ancient Britons were enslaved by the Romans .it's History that nobody can change . What's the point ?
  11. 17 Dec '14 22:32
    Originally posted by phil3000
    Ancient Britons were enslaved by the Romans .it's History that nobody can change . What's the point ?
    I don't want to overstep Hugh in explaining his point, but in America, black African slavery is the only thing ever mentioned. No mention of other ethnics who purchased their passage with indentured servitude. No mention of other enslaved groups that still are enslaved today, and then there is the leftist garbage comparing people working for hourly wages to slaves, particularly low skilled, minimum wage workers.

    The fact is that slavery hasn't been legal in the US anywhere since 1863, and longer than that in the great majority of the country. Other immigrant groups have managed despite cruel discrimination, and without affirmative action to, in many cases, exceed the performance of white Americans. Many have done so without protest marches, riots, or political representation. How many East Asians are members of Congress, or have ever been?
  12. 17 Dec '14 22:44
    Originally posted by phil3000
    Ancient Britons were enslaved by the Romans .it's History that nobody can change . What's the point ?
    he is saying that the blacks should just give it a rest with their whining about slavery because another group of people got enslaved too. and since the irish don't complain about it, neither should they.


    it doesn't matter that it was never as bad as the slavery of the blacks, nor does it matter that the irish do not pay for it today the way blacks do.

    all that matters is that he lets everyone know there is no racism in the us and that everything that happens to a black man or woman is their fault.
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    18 Dec '14 16:43
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I don't want to overstep Hugh in explaining his point, but in America, black African slavery is the only thing ever mentioned. No mention of other ethnics who purchased their passage with indentured servitude. No mention of other enslaved groups that still are enslaved today, and then there is the leftist garbage comparing people working for hourly wage ...[text shortened]... , or political representation. How many East Asians are members of Congress, or have ever been?
    In the USA specifically only blacks were enslaved. By law.
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    18 Dec '14 16:48
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    he is saying that the blacks should just give it a rest with their whining about slavery because another group of people got enslaved too. and since the irish don't complain about it, neither should they.


    it doesn't matter that it was never as bad as the slavery of the blacks, nor does it matter that the irish do not pay for it today the way blacks ...[text shortened]... is no racism in the us and that everything that happens to a black man or woman is their fault.
    Umm the Irish do complain about it...you want ANOTHER Northern Ireland thread? The IRA has become almost as much of a cliche topic as the Nazis.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    18 Dec '14 16:49
    Originally posted by Eladar
    In the US they do.
    That's because you were their teacher.

    My black students learned about what happened to the Irish when I was teaching.