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  1. 23 Mar '10 22:37 / 1 edit
    Boy do they have a well oiled machine!

    According to a new Harris Poll:

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3epolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3

    45% of Republicans believe Barack Obama was not born in the USA

    57% believe he is a Muslim

    38% believe he is "doing many things Hitler did."

    24% believe he "may be the anti-Christ.

    67% believe he is a Socialist

    The Beck's and Rush's of the country are winning their war against rational thought. This is scary stuff. This is what happens when people want fast food and fast soundbites. This is what happens when people refuse to view anything with a critical eye if it fits neatly into their convenient little narrative.
  2. 23 Mar '10 23:03
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    Boy do they have a well oiled machine!

    According to a new Harris Poll:

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3epolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3

    45% of Republicans believe Barack Obama was not born in the USA

    57% believe he is a Muslim

    38% believe he ...[text shortened]... view anything with a critical eye if it fits neatly into their convenient little narrative.
    but what percentage of these respondents really believe the stuff they "claim to believe"?

    I can imagine many core conservatives who would answer "yes" to these questions just as a way of venting their frustrations. Its also likely that most of these people consider almost all polls to be part of the "liberal" media and would love the idea of "sabotaging" the poll by purposely giving absurd answers.

    Is there a way for a pollster to eliminate these types of respondents from the poll?
  3. Standard member joneschr
    Some guy
    23 Mar '10 23:17 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    but what percentage of these respondents really believe the stuff they "claim to believe"?

    I can imagine many core conservatives who would answer "yes" to these questions just as a way of venting their frustrations. Its also likely that most of these people consider almost all polls to be part of the "liberal" media and would love the idea of "sabotagi

    Is there a way for a pollster to eliminate these types of respondents from the poll?
    I doubt that such a high percentage can be attributed to people lying to vent their frustrations. I just don't think that many people would feel a need to lie - maybe I'm just naive, but most conservatives I've met have a stronger commitment to honesty than that.

    Then again, I'm pretty shocked that people can really be that badly informed about a president that's been sitting in office over a year, so maybe a reasonable argument is that such a large majority of republicans are lairs.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    23 Mar '10 23:19
    There are a LOT of conspiracy theorists out there.
  5. 23 Mar '10 23:42
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    Boy do they have a well oiled machine!

    According to a new Harris Poll:

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3epolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3

    45% of Republicans believe Barack Obama was not born in the USA

    57% believe he is a Muslim

    38% believe he ...[text shortened]... view anything with a critical eye if it fits neatly into their convenient little narrative.
    Interestingly enough it says, "the page can not be found" to the link you provided.
  6. 23 Mar '10 23:42
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Interestingly enough it says, "the page can not be found" to the link you provided.
    there's a clue in the link.

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlhttp://blog.seattlepi.com ....
  7. Standard member telerion
    True X X Xian
    23 Mar '10 23:52
    That's why we economists tend to be skeptical about self-reported data. It would be better if the respondents had some monetary interest in getting the correct answer.
  8. 24 Mar '10 00:18
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    Boy do they have a well oiled machine!

    According to a new Harris Poll:

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3epolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3

    45% of Republicans believe Barack Obama was not born in the USA

    57% believe he is a Muslim

    38% believe he ...[text shortened]... view anything with a critical eye if it fits neatly into their convenient little narrative.
    Much like those voting for Obama new only certain facts about Palin such as her wardrobe and seeing Russia from her house, which she never said by the way. They are both well oiled machines.
  9. 24 Mar '10 00:33
    Originally posted by whodey
    Much like those voting for Obama new only certain facts about Palin such as her wardrobe and seeing Russia from her house, which she never said by the way. They are both well oiled machines.
    Sure the wardrobe thing is frivolous (but true), and she didn't say "from my house" she said "from land here." But really? That's your comparison? Sometimes I wonder if you even buy your own arguments.

    Yes, that really compares to:

    - Not born in the USA

    - Is a Muslim

    - Is similar to Hitler

    - Is the anit-Christ

    - Is a Socialist
  10. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    24 Mar '10 00:39
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    That's your comparison? Sometimes I wonder if you even buy your own arguments.
    Another question is why he bends over backwards to defend the Republicans with such a lame, lame, lame comparison when he also claims to hold no candle for the Republicans.
  11. 24 Mar '10 00:46
    Originally posted by FMF
    Another question is why he bends over backwards to defend the Republicans with such a lame, lame, lame comparison when he also claims to hold no candle for the Republicans.
    So I defend Republicans do I? I merely point out that one party is no more righteous than the other. If I were to defend them, I would be touting the righteousness of one party over the other like certain partisan hacks on this site.
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    24 Mar '10 00:48
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    The "job" done by 'The Right' on Obama

    - Not born in the USA

    - Is a Muslim

    - Is similar to Hitler

    - Is the anit-Christ

    - Is a Socialist
    The "job" done by 'The Left' on Bush

    - Cannot establish he did his military service

    - Failed businessman

    - Engaged in insider trading

    - Textbook example of nepotist/cronyist

    - etc.
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    24 Mar '10 00:50
    Originally posted by whodey
    So I defend Republicans do I? I merely point out that one party is no more righteous than the other.
    Mmm. Yeah. And you really nailed it with your "comparison". Didn't you now?
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    24 Mar '10 00:58
    Originally posted by whodey
    If I were to defend them, I would be touting the righteousness of one party over the other like certain partisan hacks on this site.
    You've been peddling Republican and hateblog talking points and spreading GOP disinformation dutifully here at RHP for years.
  15. 24 Mar '10 01:01
    Originally posted by FMF
    You've been peddling Republican and hateblog talking points and spreading GOP disinformation dutifully here at RHP for years.
    The only talking points listed that I have stated was that he is a socialist. How then have I been a mouth peice for the GOP?