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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    22 Jan '10 19:53
    The 538 Senate rankings now have ALL of the top 7 Senate seats, in order of likelihood of switching parties, as Dem held seats.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/senate-rankings-post-masspocalypse.html

    A little over a year ago, the same Nate Silver had the top 6 races most likely to change seats as GOP held seats, and 9 of the top 10!

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/12/2010-senate-rankings-revised-and.html

    This cycle has gone from a potentially BIG Dem year in the Senate to a looming disaster since the President took office.

    So, for American Democrats... when do they start admitting that maybe something other than vile slander from the tea partiers and Rush Limbaghs of the World are wrong with their party? Just how far do Dem prospects have to fall before we see the White House and the DNC do a little introspection?
  2. 22 Jan '10 20:02
    ur just a hater
  3. 22 Jan '10 20:12
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    ur just a hater
    No, he is an optimist
  4. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    22 Jan '10 21:37
    Originally posted by sh76
    The 538 Senate rankings now have ALL of the top 7 Senate seats, in order of likelihood of switching parties, as Dem held seats.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/senate-rankings-post-masspocalypse.html

    A little over a year ago, the same Nate Silver had the top 6 races most likely to change seats as GOP held seats, and 9 of the top 10!

    http://www.f ...[text shortened]... Dem prospects have to fall before we see the White House and the DNC do a little introspection?
    I haven't seen much yet to indicate that Obama, Reid, or Pelosi are even capable of introspection. Obama sounded pretty combative today in Ohio, and sounds like he still wants to ram the HC bill through somehow. I don't hear anyone saying "the era of big government is over?", and if they did I couldn't believe they meant it anyway. But that's true for a lot of the GOP as well, including the new golden boy Brown.
  5. 22 Jan '10 22:04 / 6 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    The 538 Senate rankings now have ALL of the top 7 Senate seats, in order of likelihood of switching parties, as Dem held seats.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/senate-rankings-post-masspocalypse.html

    A little over a year ago, the same Nate Silver had the top 6 races most likely to change seats as GOP held seats, and 9 of the top 10!

    http://www.f ...[text shortened]... Dem prospects have to fall before we see the White House and the DNC do a little introspection?
    I remember back in the primaries when Obama and Clinton were debating about healthcare reform. The question I desperately wanted them to address was "How are you going to make sure we don't have a repeat of 1994? What have each of you learned from that debacle and what will be done differently this time?"

    Well it turns out that Obama & Co decided to take pretty much the same path that the Clintons took during their crack at healthcare. And everything pretty much played out according to script. The only real difference was that the Great Election that followed only cost the Dems one Senate seat rather than control of the entire Congress.

    But it now appears that this healthcare reform chapter is pretty much history. Nancy Pelosi might wring her hands a couple more times. The Dems might then cobble together some scraps from things the GOP already supports but beyond that, it's over.

    So the GOP better'd be careful about declaring victory. They may've launched Sputnik ten months too soon. The agenda for 2010 is likely to be very heavy on attacking banks, bailouts, and bonuses - and campaign financing. If the GOP resists reforms in these areas, it might find most of the Tea Party crowd rallying against them this time.
  6. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    23 Jan '10 01:10
    Originally posted by sh76
    The 538 Senate rankings now have ALL of the top 7 Senate seats, in order of likelihood of switching parties, as Dem held seats.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/senate-rankings-post-masspocalypse.html

    A little over a year ago, the same Nate Silver had the top 6 races most likely to change seats as GOP held seats, and 9 of the top 10!

    http://www.f ...[text shortened]... Dem prospects have to fall before we see the White House and the DNC do a little introspection?
    the problem isn't the democratic party. It's american voters. Obama says health care and everyone runs to the republicans.
  7. 23 Jan '10 01:45
    The problem is the economy and taxes. People know that we can't afford the health care package that was coming down the pike. Find something workable and people will go for it.

    But to do that, you'll have to go against doctors, lawyers and insurance companies and that ain't gonna happen.
  8. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    23 Jan '10 02:08
    Originally posted by uzless
    the problem isn't the democratic party. It's american voters. Obama says health care and everyone runs to the republicans.
    LOL. Yeah those stupid voters. They should just shut the hell up and let Obama tell them what's good for them.
  9. 23 Jan '10 04:58
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    So the GOP better'd be careful about declaring victory. They may've launched Sputnik ten months too soon. The agenda for 2010 is likely to be very heavy on attacking banks, bailouts, and bonuses - and campaign financing. If the GOP resists reforms in these areas, it might find most of the Tea Party crowd rallying against them this time.[/b]
    So the agenda will be heavy on attacking banks, bailouts, bonuses, and campaign fincancing, eh? No doubt, if this is the case then the Dems have learned nothing from the failure of the NHC bill. If the Dems continue to ignore the high unemployment and the fragile state of the economy they will do so at their own peril. Punishing banks and any other aspect of the American economy does nothing but punish the average Joe. After all, when the Dems speak of cap and trade on business, who will make up the difference? When they Dems speak of increased taxation on banks, who will make up the difference? That's right, the cost is passed down to you and me. It is called trickle down taxation. In addition, they are doing damage to an already fragile economy. Just look at how Wall Street has reacted recently about Obama waging war on the private sector.
  10. 23 Jan '10 05:06 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    [b]I remember back in the primaries when Obama and Clinton were debating about healthcare reform. The question I desperately wanted them to address was "How are you going to make sure we don't have a repeat of 1994? What have each of you learned from that debacle and what will be done differently this time?"
    To be fair, the Dems had this in the bag....that is until Kennedy died and had to be replaced. It was nothing more than an act of God. Having said that, perhaps if the Dems had not handled the health care agenda as if they had it in the bag and, therefore, did not need to get the approval or participation from the masses, perhaps it would still have a chance. Instead of having the debates behind smoke filled closed doors and not out in the open as promised, and instead of trying to pass this massive peice of legislation overnight at a lighteing pace with massive earmarks to boot, and instead of brushing aside concerns at town halls and treating those concerned with such arrogant disdain, then perhaps they could have won the masses over.
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    23 Jan '10 05:13
    Originally posted by whodey
    To be fair, the Dems had this in the bag....that is until Kennedy died and had to be replaced. It was nothing more than an act of God.
    Perhaps your God opposes health care reform. You have compared yourself to Jesus before, here. Maybe you were doing God's work when you were spreading the "Death Panels" propaganda on this forum. Who knows?
  12. 23 Jan '10 06:10
    Originally posted by FMF
    Perhaps your God opposes health care reform. You have compared yourself to Jesus before, here. Maybe you were doing God's work when you were spreading the "Death Panels" propaganda on this forum. Who knows?
    Psa. 23:4
  13. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    23 Jan '10 06:14
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    LOL. Yeah those stupid voters. They should just shut the hell up and let Obama tell them what's good for them.
    If obama were a republican president, you wouldn't have a problem with him.
  14. 23 Jan '10 06:19 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    Perhaps your God opposes health care reform. You have compared yourself to Jesus before, here. Maybe you were doing God's work when you were spreading the "Death Panels" propaganda on this forum. Who knows?
    I have no idea what you are talking about. Care to respond to what I have written? I did not mean to imply that God smote Senator Kennedy to save us from NHC.
  15. 23 Jan '10 06:25
    Originally posted by uzless
    the problem isn't the democratic party. It's american voters. Obama says health care and everyone runs to the republicans.
    Not so, they moved closer to the middle. 51 % of Mass. voters are independents,
    appparently tired of trying to figure out what a 2000 page bill is all about. ( they also already had a health care plan )
    The rumors, and scare tactics worked because the Democrats were not transparent, as promised, the vote buying stunk things up, as did the "apparent" union deal that was cut?
    The people are speaking, and that is what makes this country great