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    https://www.history.com/news/the-nazis-war-on-christmas

    During the Christmas season in Germany, you’ll hear plenty of Silent Night and O Tannenbaum—two Christmas carols that originated there. But during the Third Reich, you were more likely to hear a hymn called Exalted Night instead of one about a silent night.
    As the years went on, Nazi attempts to take over Christmas intensified. The Nazisrewrote the lyrics of “Silent Night” to remove all attempts to religion or Christ. They distributedAdvent calendars for kids filled with propaganda and militaristic imagery. They even tried torewrite Handel’s Messiah. Mothers were encouraged to bake swastika-shaped cookies. Even the familiar star that topped millions of Christmas trees wasreplaced by a sunburst that looked less like the Star of David.

    Traditional Christmas celebrations became a protest against Nazism. “The apparently banal, everyday decision to sing a particular Christmas carol, or bake a holiday cookie, became either an act of political dissent or an expression of support for national socialism,”writes historian Joe Perry.

    As wartime privations and bombings became more and more dire, many Germansstopped caring about Christmas at all. According to Perry, Berliners made a macabrejoke during the harsh winters of 194 and 1944: “Think practically—give coffins.”
    Despite their attempts to take over Christmas traditions, only one tradition survived the end of the Third Reich: Exalted Night. The song was banned as Nazi propaganda in 1945, but was stillsung by some families at least through the 1950s.

    Today, it lives on in performances by neo-Nazi and far-right extremists in Germany—a chilling reminder that though the Nazis’ first war on Christmas failed, it could happen again one day.




    The popular hymn, which dwelled on motherhood, renewal, and holiday fires, seemingly fit right in with the rest of the Christmas songs. But like so much in Nazi Germany, it was a carefully constructed fake, written by a Nazi songwriter as part of an attempt to apply Adolf Hitler’s hateful ideology to Christmas.

    During the 1930s and 1940s, the Nazis did their best to transform Germany’s beloved Christmas traditions into Nazi ones. Though Hitler’s attempts to create a national church failed, his party’s attempt to redefine religious celebrations was more successful. To do this, they used ideology and propaganda to put the holiday in line with the national socialists’ anti-Semitic values.
    The Nazis’ problem with Christmas was baked into Christmas itself. After all, Jesus was a Jew—and both anti-Semitism and the goal of eradicating Jews and Jewishness were at the very core of Nazi ideology.

    This presented a problem when it came to Germany. Not only was the nation devoutly Christian, but it was the place where many Christmas traditions, like Advent calendars, Christmas trees and Christmas markets,were born. The Nazis knew it would be impossible to eradicate Christianity entirely, so they decided to rework it in their own image.
    At first, notes historian Gerry Bowler, Nazis simply tried to take over Christmas as a party ritual. They inserted Nazi imagery and even Nazi party officials into things like nativity scenes and Christmas parties. They also worked to create positive associations between the Nazis and winter with gigantic welfare drives during the colder months.

    The Hitler Youth and the Band of German Girls, the party’s official youth organizations, helpedcollect coats and money for party members and poor Germans affected by the Great Depression. But as the years went on and Germans continued to celebrate a Christian Christmas, the Nazis’ tactics evolved.

    To distract Germans from their time-honored Christian traditions, the Nazis increasingly looked toward Germany’s pagan past. They emphasized the possible role of pagan rituals in modern Christmas traditions. In the Nazis’ idealized, fictitious version of the past, Germanic (Aryan) tribes had racially pure rituals that could be recreated during Nazi times.
    Among the most important was the celebration of the winter solstice. The Nazis attempted to move the date of Christmas to the solstice instead and mounted large performances and community bonfires that supposedly drew on pre-Christian rituals. They also tried to redefine St. Nicholas as Wotan, the ancient Germanic deity.
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    @whodey

    Does this finally put a nail in the coffin as to Hitler being a "Christian" or do some dispute this history?
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    @whodey

    As they should. Christianity is the biggest scam in human history, along of course with Islam and all the other so-called religions which are not really religions at all but a sophisticated power scheme. So I HOPE we can go back to pagan ways, at least they won't try to run the whole planet since there are a million different pagan religions and will not spread to other lands unlike the filthy Christians and Muslims. They are BOTH nothing but power schemes. I say filthy in referring to the leaders not the followers, which I have no problem with. It is the filthy leaders like the Catholics who for centuries have looked the other way when hundreds of thousands of children, boys and girls are sexually abused by these so called priests who are in fact sexual predators officially sanctions by the church, to this day.
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    30 Nov '18 15:07
    @sonhouse spot on brother
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    @sonhouse said
    @whodey

    As they should. Christianity is the biggest scam in human history, along of course with Islam and all the other so-called religions which are not really religions at all but a sophisticated power scheme. So I HOPE we can go back to pagan ways, at least they won't try to run the whole planet since there are a million different pagan religions and will not spread t ...[text shortened]... so called priests who are in fact sexual predators officially sanctions by the church, to this day.
    Would you say that there is some sort of Jewish conspiracy to all this religion stuff?
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    30 Nov '18 17:15
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity
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    @sonhouse said
    @whodey

    As they should. Christianity is the biggest scam in human history, along of course with Islam and all the other so-called religions which are not really religions at all but a sophisticated power scheme. So I HOPE we can go back to pagan ways, at least they won't try to run the whole planet since there are a million different pagan religions and will not spread t ...[text shortened]... so called priests who are in fact sexual predators officially sanctions by the church, to this day.
    Do you think the world would have been better off if Hitler had successfully destroyed the Christian faith in favor of a pagan one?
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    30 Nov '18 18:04
    @whodey said
    Do you think the world would have been better off if Hitler had successfully destroyed the Christian faith in favor of a pagan one?
    Would you support getting rid of all the pagan elements in the common Christian celebration of Christmas in the United States?
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    30 Nov '18 18:13
    @KazetNagorra

    Pagan traditions were incorporated into Christian ones in an attempt to convert pagans. Now if this starts one on a path to Christ where one then realizes that all that matters is Christ and not the traditions attached to him, then it was all worth it.

    However, for those who call themselves Christians simply because they enjoy these pagan traditions, then it would not be worth it.

    What I'm not going to do is make an across the border judgment on the issue, because I think for some, they were brought to Christ because of it as where others were not.
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    30 Nov '18 18:23
    @whodey said
    Do you think the world would have been better off if Hitler had successfully destroyed the Christian faith in favor of a pagan one?
    The world would be a better place if everyone subscribed to Rastafarianism,
    (Although the schism between Tagliatellists and Linguinists is a difficult one to resolve)
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    @whodey said
    @KazetNagorra

    Pagan traditions were incorporated into Christian ones in an attempt to convert pagans. Now if this starts one on a path to Christ where one then realizes that all that matters is Christ and not the traditions attached to him, then it was all worth it.

    However, for those who call themselves Christians simply because they enjoy these pagan traditions, then ...[text shortened]... issue, because I think for some, they were brought to Christ because of it as where others were not.
    Olaf Trygvasson tortured pagans to secure their conversion. Was that worth it?
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    @wolfgang59 said
    The world would be a better place if everyone subscribed to Rastafarianism,
    (Although the schism between Tagliatellists and Linguinists is a difficult one to resolve)
    Surely you mean Pastafarianism?
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Surely you mean Pastafarianism?
    Yes I do.
    A silly typo.
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    01 Dec '18 07:45
    @whodey said
    https://www.history.com/news/the-nazis-war-on-christmas

    During the Christmas season in Germany, you’ll hear plenty of Silent Night and O Tannenbaum—two Christmas carols that originated there. But during the Third Reich, you were more likely to hear a hymn called Exalted Night instead of one about a silent night.
    As the years went on, Nazi attempts to take over Christmas i ...[text shortened]... re-Christian rituals. They also tried to redefine St. Nicholas as Wotan, the ancient Germanic deity.
    Nazis?

    I’m pretty sure they were the most mixed up bunch of retards the world’s ever produced.

    Suggesting anything they ever claimed is anything other than madness is madness.

    I mean, even the things they were supposedly good at, when looked at with scrutiny, were complete rubbish.

    I’m pretty sure that Hitler was a Christian and I’m pretty sure Himmler wanted to engrain a sentiment of ubermensch by harking back to the days of myth.
    And obviously everything got muddled in the various power-houses wrestling for a pat on the back from Adolf and more power for themselves.
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    @whodey said
    @KazetNagorra

    Pagan traditions were incorporated into Christian ones in an attempt to convert pagans. Now if this starts one on a path to Christ where one then realizes that all that matters is Christ and not the traditions attached to him, then it was all worth it.

    However, for those who call themselves Christians simply because they enjoy these pagan traditions, then ...[text shortened]... issue, because I think for some, they were brought to Christ because of it as where others were not.
    Do you feel that partaking in the pagan elements of the Christmas celebration brings you closer to Christ?
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