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  1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @whodey said
    Perhaps this is why Hitler secretly favored Islam over Christianity while ruling a Europe who had embraced a Christian influenced culture.
    Deducing that from your quote shows what a dunce you are.
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Deducing that from your quote shows what a dunce you are.
    How so?

    Hitler was trapped in a culture that was oriented towards Christianity, not Islam, yet he favored Islam because of the jihadist aspect to the religion.
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    05 Dec '18 19:55
    @whodey said
    How so?

    Hitler was trapped in a culture that was oriented towards Christianity, not Islam, yet he favored Islam because of the jihadist aspect to the religion.
    (Whodey replied to Wolfgang59.)

    In fact, Hitler (or his subordinates) treated most Muslim POWs (Soviet soldiers from
    Central Asia or the Caucasus or French colonial soldiers from North Africa) more
    harshly than most Western Christian POWs captured by the Germans.
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    @whodey said
    How so?

    Hitler was trapped in a culture that was oriented towards Christianity, not Islam, yet he favored Islam because of the jihadist aspect to the religion.
    Yeah, there's nothing in Christianity that says you can invade other people's lands and kill them, their families and often their farm animals if they resist.

    Well except for the entire Old Testament.
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    @whodey said
    How so?

    Hitler was trapped in a culture that was oriented towards Christianity, not Islam, yet he favored Islam because of the jihadist aspect to the religion.
    "he favoured Islam" is rubbish.
    You cannot deduce that from one quote about one aspect of Islam
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    @wolfgang59

    From Wiki:

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    The relationship between Nazi Germany (1933–1945) and the leadership of the Arab world encompassed contempt, propaganda, collaboration and in some instances emulation. Cooperative political and military relationships were founded on shared hostilities toward common enemies, such as British and French imperialism and colonialism, communism, and Zionism. Another key foundation of this collaboration was the anti-semitism of the Nazis, which was admired by some Arab and Muslim leaders, most notably Hajj Amin al-Husayni. In public and private, Hitler and Himmler made warm statements about Islam as a religion and political ideology, describing it as a more disciplined, militaristic, political, and practical form of religion than Christianity, and commending what they perceived to be Muhammad's skill in politics and military leadership. However, official Nazi ideology also considered Arabs to be racially inferior to Germans, a sentiment echoed by Hitler and other Nazi leaders to deprecate them.

    The Arabic-speaking world has attracted particular attention from historians examining fascism beyond Europe. Focusing exclusively on pro-Nazi and pro-Fascist forces, these scholars have tended to emphasize the appeal that Fascism and Nazism had across the Arab world. More recently however, this narrative has been challenged by a number of scholars[1] who assert that that Arab political debates in the 1930s and 1940s were quite complex. Fascism and Nazism, they argue, were discussed alongside other political ideologies, such as Communism, Liberalism, and Constitutionalism. Moreover, the recent revisionist works have stressed the anti-Fascist and anti-Nazi voices and movements in the Arab world
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    @no1marauder said
    Yeah, there's nothing in Christianity that says you can invade other people's lands and kill them, their families and often their farm animals if they resist.

    Well except for the entire Old Testament.
    So tell us, should Hajj Amin al-Husayni evaded the Nuremburg Trials for war crimes?

    Or was he justified in his crimes against Jews under Hitler because people invaded the Middle East?
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    @whodey said
    So tell us, should Hajj Amin al-Husayni evaded the Nuremburg Trials for war crimes?

    Or was he justified in his crimes against Jews under Hitler because people invaded the Middle East?
    As usual, you are changing the subject when your original premise is shown to be BS.

    Whatever Hitler's private musings, his public pronouncements were always at least neutral toward Christianity and generally favorable. The overwhelming majority of his soldiers that marched into foreign lands and committed unimaginable atrocities were Christians. Thus, Nazis and Christians were interlinked in Germany and Hitler hardly tried to "destroy" Christianity as you ridiculously claimed.
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    @no1marauder said
    As usual, you are changing the subject when your original premise is shown to be BS.

    Whatever Hitler's private musings, his public pronouncements were always at least neutral toward Christianity and generally favorable. The overwhelming majority of his soldiers that marched into foreign lands and committed unimaginable atrocities were Christians. Thus, Nazis and Christ ...[text shortened]... nterlinked in Germany and Hitler hardly tried to "destroy" Christianity as you ridiculously claimed.
    Changing the subject?

    Pot meet kettle.

    The question I had about the Islamic Nazi war criminal was a valid one.

    According to you, Muslims have every right to incite terrorism across the globe to make up for the wrongs from outside sources, including the Islamic Nazi war criminal that evaded the Nuremburg Trials. But according to you, people like him had every right to commit those crimes.

    Naturally, you have no way to reply that will not make a mockery of you moral position, so you just change the subject
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    @whodey said
    Changing the subject?

    Pot meet kettle.

    The question I had about the Islamic Nazi war criminal was a valid one.

    According to you, Muslims have every right to incite terrorism across the globe to make up for the wrongs from outside sources, including the Islamic Nazi war criminal that evaded the Nuremburg Trials. But according to you, people like him had every right ...[text shortened]... e no way to reply that will not make a mockery of you moral position, so you just change the subject
    Of course, I have never taken such a position as you well know. I have never justified terrorism or war crimes.

    This deflection isn't going to work; admit your original premise was false and then perhaps we can discuss whether this individual actually committed any "war crimes". Merely supporting Germany in WWII for strategic reasons isn't a war crime; to repeat what the site you gave said:

    Cooperative political and military relationships were founded on shared hostilities toward common enemies, such as British and French imperialism and colonialism, communism, and Zionism.

    The point is Nazi Germany was a Christian nation, the overwhelming majority of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the Axis were committed by Christians and Hitler never tried to "destroy" Christianity and replace it with anything as you absurdly claimed. Surely some war crimes were committed by some Muslims, but what does that have to do with anything?
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    @whodey said
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    Pagan traditions were incorporated into Christian ones in an attempt to convert pagans. Now if this starts one on a path to Christ where one then realizes that all that matters is Christ and not the traditions attached to him, then it was all worth it.

    However, for those who call themselves Christians simply because they enjoy these pagan traditions, then ...[text shortened]... issue, because I think for some, they were brought to Christ because of it as where others were not.
    Christ didn't celebrate Christmas; why should Christians do so?
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    @no1marauder said
    Christ didn't celebrate Christmas; why should Christians do so?
    I see, so Christmas is not Christian because Christ did not celebrate it?

    So tell us, did Christ advocate mass genocide of Jews and the start to a world war that the Nazi regime started?

    Funny how you seem to imply that you can be Christian while ignoring the example of Christ when talking about the Nazi regime but then turn around and insist that Christians adhere to the example of Christ regarding the celebration of Christmas.

    All I will say is, Christians should feel no shame in celebrating anything about the life of Christ, including his birth, but those who commit mass murder should not consider themselves Christian.
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    @no1marauder said
    Of course, I have never taken such a position as you well know. I have never justified terrorism or war crimes.

    This deflection isn't going to work; admit your original premise was false and then perhaps we can discuss whether this individual actually committed any "war crimes". Merely supporting Germany in WWII for strategic reasons isn't a war crime; to repeat what ...[text shortened]... Surely some war crimes were committed by some Muslims, but what does that have to do with anything?
    So what differentiates a terrorist act from an act of self defense?

    Additionally, why is it every time an Islamic terrorist act is committed around the world you seem to defer to the foreign involvement in the Middle East as always being the cause, as if the foreign powers deserved it?
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    https://www.theblaze.com/news/ready-principal-banned-candy-canes-because-j-shape-stands-for-jesus-but-that-was-just-for-starters

    Well look at this. Apparently a school Nazi...er....um.....US public school principle has banned a wide variety of Christmas items like candy canes, cuz they form the letter "J" for Jesus.

    Here is more that was banned.

    •Santas or Christmas items (clip art) on worksheets
    •Christmas trees in classrooms
    • Elf on the Shelf — that's Christmas-related
    • Singing Christmas carols
    • Playing Christmas music
    • Sending a Scholastic book that is a Christmas book — that's Christmas-related
    • Making a Christmas ornament as a gift —This assumes that the family has a Christmas tree which assumes they celebrate Christmas. I challenge the thought of, "Well they can just hang it somewhere else."
    • Candy Cane — that's Christmas-related. Historically, the shape is a "J" for Jesus. The red is for the blood of Christ, and the white is a symbol of his resurrection. This would also include different colored candy canes.
    • Red/Green items — traditional Christmas colors
    • Reindeer
    • Christmas videos/movies and/or characters from Christmas movies
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    06 Dec '18 19:26
    @whodey said
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    From Wiki:
    None of that supports your statement.
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