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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    31 Mar '15 00:54 / 1 edit
    Some of you are too young to remember our beloved Ronald Reagan, who in 1980 sailed into the oval office on his promise to "crack down on welfare queens" And we all know who they are, the stereotypical black woman, squeezing out kids by the bushel in order to collect her big monthly welfare check. Thus began the Reagan Revolution! Let us consider however who is really feeding at the taxpayer trough. Has anyone considered the fact that for every $1.00 spent on social welfare programs, $1.90 is spent on corporate welfare, nearly twice as much. This is not money given to corporations in exchange for goods and services. It is money given away simply because they exist. Although he's far from the only one, President Obama is one of the worst offenders in this area, signing off on still more free corporate pork. The fortune 500 is sucking America dry folks. Maybe it's time we took their straws away!


    http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-welfare-statistics-vs-social-welfare-statistics/

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2012/08/20/where-to-cut-the-federal-budget-start-by-killing-corporate-welfare/
  2. 31 Mar '15 01:34
    Originally posted by bill718
    Some of you are too young to remember our beloved Ronald Reagan, who in 1980 sailed into the oval office on his promise to "crack down on welfare queens" And we all know who they are, the stereotypical black woman, squeezing out kids by the bushel in order to collect her big monthly welfare check. Thus began the Reagan Revolution! Let us consider however who ...[text shortened]... /sites/dougbandow/2012/08/20/where-to-cut-the-federal-budget-start-by-killing-corporate-welfare/
    Funny how you try to validate one form of evil by pointing to another form of evil. Do away with Socialism and Facism altogether and you take care of both evils.
  3. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    31 Mar '15 02:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Funny how you try to validate one form of evil by pointing to another form of evil. Do away with Socialism and Facism altogether and you take care of both evils.
    Eladar- You're just not getting it. I'm not trying to validate anything. I'm only encouraging those who like to dwell on the subject of welfare, and feeding at the taxpayer trough to tell the whole story, not just the popular one, and "NO" it's not funny, in fact it's pathetic to watch some conservative 7 figure CEO type on TV who's company sucks free tax money berate unemployed workers who are forced to live on food stamps for a few months until they can land an $8.50/hr Wal-Mart job.
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    31 Mar '15 02:06
    Originally posted by bill718
    Some of you are too young to remember our beloved Ronald Reagan, who in 1980 sailed into the oval office on his promise to "crack down on welfare queens" And we all know who they are, the stereotypical black woman, squeezing out kids by the bushel in order to collect her big monthly welfare check. Thus began the Reagan Revolution! Let us consider however who ...[text shortened]... /sites/dougbandow/2012/08/20/where-to-cut-the-federal-budget-start-by-killing-corporate-welfare/
    Do welfare queens employ tens of thousands of people?
  5. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    31 Mar '15 02:17 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    Do welfare queens employ tens of thousands of people?
    The fortune 500 employs less than 12% of America's workforce, yet they get the lions share of the corporate pork (or have you thought of that??) Did you see the average mom and pop grocery store getting bailout $$ during the great recession? Was your law firm "too big to fail"?? It's amazing how you folks can justify this hypocrisy.
  6. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    31 Mar '15 04:46
    Originally posted by bill718
    Eladar- You're just not getting it. I'm not trying to validate anything. I'm only encouraging those who like to dwell on the subject of welfare, and feeding at the taxpayer trough to tell the whole story, not just the popular one, and "NO" it's not funny, in fact it's pathetic to watch some conservative 7 figure CEO type on TV who's company sucks free tax mo ...[text shortened]... are forced to live on food stamps for a few months until they can land an $8.50/hr Wal-Mart job.
    Yes, you're trying to validate it by making out that real welfare queens are not welfare queens by declaring that other welfare queens are the real welfare queens. Implying that welfare queens on welfare are not real.

    You should get real, they're all on welfare and none of them should be.

    Look at the title of your thread.
  7. 31 Mar '15 05:54
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Yes, you're trying to validate it by making out that real welfare queens are not welfare queens by declaring that other welfare queens are the real welfare queens. Implying that welfare queens on welfare are not real.

    You should get real, they're all on welfare and none of them should be.

    Look at the title of your thread.
    What do you suggest "welfare queens" who cannot obtain paid employment do to survive?
  8. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    31 Mar '15 06:15
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What do you suggest "welfare queens" who cannot obtain paid employment do to survive?
    Do you deny that there are people that choose to live on welfare?

    Do you know there are countries without state enforced welfare?
  9. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    31 Mar '15 10:03
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Do you deny that there are people that choose to live on welfare?

    Do you know there are countries without state enforced welfare?
    Myths about armies of unemployed layabouts living on the fat of the land are tiresome for their dishonesty and lack of logic.

    Very little of the total welfare budget in the UK (and I think you will find in the US) actually even goes to people who are out of work. Far more goes to people who work long and hard for inadequate wages, effectively subsidizing employers rather than the poor.

    Unemployment is typically temporary and entirely a product of conditions in the wider economy which the poor cannot influence. The growth of unemployment after the market crash of 2007/8 and the ensuing neoliberal era of austerity was the result of a moral collapse among the wealthy elite, not among the working poor.

    The idea that welfare systems in the US or the UK or most other countries offer a standard of living that would be desirable or even tolerable is contrary to the evidence and contrary to the intent of the people designing welfare systems. The experience of claiming assistance is harsh, judgemental and humiliating, which is why an awful lot of benefits are never claimed, despite great need.
  10. 31 Mar '15 12:37
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Funny how you try to validate one form of evil by pointing to another form of evil. Do away with Socialism and Facism altogether and you take care of both evils.
    All that can be certain is that all evil in the universe can be traced back to Reagan and Bush, so keep voting Dim. In about a 100 years or so, maybe they can begin to fix things........
  11. 31 Mar '15 14:30
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Do you deny that there are people that choose to live on welfare?

    Do you know there are countries without state enforced welfare?
    What do you suggest "welfare queens" who cannot obtain paid employment do to survive?
  12. 31 Mar '15 15:13
    Originally posted by bill718
    Some of you are too young to remember our beloved Ronald Reagan, who in 1980 sailed into the oval office on his promise to "crack down on welfare queens" And we all know who they are, the stereotypical black woman, squeezing out kids by the bushel in order to collect her big monthly welfare check. Thus began the Reagan Revolution! Let us consider however who ...[text shortened]... /sites/dougbandow/2012/08/20/where-to-cut-the-federal-budget-start-by-killing-corporate-welfare/
    Much of the justification for corporate welfare comes from the left and the right for differing reasons, all bad.

    Remember it was BHO who oversaw the bailout of GM (to save jobs). Put a populist spin on corporate welfare. Remember also his opposition to the Keystone Pipeline, which would end dependence on foreign oil.

    The REAL welfare queens are any and all who suck at the federal teat.
  13. 31 Mar '15 15:22
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Myths about armies of unemployed layabouts living on the fat of the land are tiresome for their dishonesty and lack of logic.
    Your Marxist rhetoric is equally tiresome, dishonest, and lacking in logic.
  14. 31 Mar '15 15:25
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What do you suggest "welfare queens" who cannot obtain paid employment do to survive?
    Nobody is without skills. Eliminate minimum wage laws, which prevent low skill workers from working. Eliminate prohibition of prostitution.

    The dirty little secret is that a great many welfare queens do work "under the table". The underground economy in a city like Detroit is often large than the above ground.
  15. 31 Mar '15 15:31
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Myths about armies of unemployed layabouts living on the fat of the land are tiresome for their dishonesty and lack of logic.

    Very little of the total welfare budget in the UK (and I think you will find in the US) actually even goes to people who are out of work. Far more goes to people who work long and hard for inadequate wages, effectively subsidiz ...[text shortened]... al and humiliating, which is why an awful lot of benefits are never claimed, despite great need.
    http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress/50-uk-black-males-are-unemployed-and-unemployable/

    Perhaps in the UK we ought to be talking about welfare Kings.