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  1. Standard membersh76
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    25 Jun '18 16:30
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    I don't know on what basis Sanders was refused service, but it's unclear to me whether it is legal to do so on the basis of someone's job and/or political beliefs.

    EDIT: It seems she was merely "asked to leave" rather than outright denied service.
    On what basis would it be illegal to refuse service based on political beliefs or opinions? Sure a political affiliation isn't a protect class under the Civil Rights Act?
  2. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    25 Jun '18 16:36
    Discrimination is perfectly fine as long as it's a white conservative at the butt end of it.

    Are we saying religion and political affiliation are on equal terms? Just asking, I don't have a problem with this as long as it works both ways.
  3. Subscriberno1marauder
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    25 Jun '18 16:491 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    On what basis would it be illegal to refuse service based on political beliefs or opinions? Sure a political affiliation isn't a protect class under the Civil Rights Act?
    There's a link in the OP article to DC's public accommodations law and discrimination against members of political parties is covered:

    "12. Political affiliation: belonging to or supporting a political party".https://ohr.dc.gov/protectedtraits

    Don't know offhand whether any States have such a provision.

    I'm not sure restaurants can arbitrarily exclude even unprotected classes; could they say "No Blondes or "No lefties" served?
  4. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    25 Jun '18 17:10
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Something to do with our tongues.
    Must be the fork.
  5. Subscriberno1marauder
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    25 Jun '18 17:191 edit
    There was a common law rule that businesses had a duty to serve and could not exclude anyone without good cause. I can't seem to copy and paste off this Brief, but see Section I-B here: https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/supreme_court_preview/briefs-2017-2018/16-111-amicus-resp-public-accommodation-law-scholars.authcheckdam.pdf
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    25 Jun '18 17:24
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Discrimination is perfectly fine as long as it's a white conservative at the butt end of it.

    Are we saying religion and political affiliation are on equal terms? Just asking, I don't have a problem with this as long as it works both ways.
    No.
    Political affiliation is based on how you think resources are best shared.

    Religious affiliation is based on fantasy.
  7. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    25 Jun '18 18:05
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    No.
    Political affiliation is based on how you think resources are best shared.

    Religious affiliation is based on fantasy.
    Good. So a business owner can kick a socialist dumbass out of the building without having to claim religious grounds.

    Me likey!
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    25 Jun '18 18:141 edit
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Good. So a business owner can kick a socialist dumbass out of the building without having to claim religious grounds.

    Me likey!
    Yes, and maybe conservatives should start doing that. There are still more conservatives in the US than progressive liberals. Imagine if we acted the way they do.

    Oh you went to a Hillary rally? Well then get the hell out of my restaurant. You support abortion? Let's mount a twitter war to get you fired. One of these days push is going to come to shove.
  9. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    25 Jun '18 18:28
    Originally posted by @sleepyguy
    Yes, and maybe conservatives should start doing that. There are still more conservatives in the US than progressive liberals. Imagine if we acted the way they do.

    Oh you went to a Hillary rally? Well then get the hell out of my restaurant. You support abortion? Let's mount a twitter war to get you fired. One of these days push is going to come to shove.
    It's a losing proposition for the liberals, considering.
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    25 Jun '18 18:46
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    I don't know on what basis Sanders was refused service, but it's unclear to me whether it is legal to do so on the basis of someone's job and/or political beliefs.

    EDIT: It seems she was merely "asked to leave" rather than outright denied service.
    "It seems she was merely "asked to leave" rather than outright denied service'

    probably the most stupid statement I have ever read.
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    25 Jun '18 18:59
    I personally would not have refused service to Mrs Sanders (as I would not have refused service to the gay couple in the bakery thread a couple weeks back) but I believe in choice and the owner can do what she wants with her body. If that means she doesn't want to make food for Mrs Sanders or bake a cake for gay people, then she's within her rights. I personally wouldn't refuse service in either case but she's within her rights.
  12. Standard membershavixmir
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    25 Jun '18 19:19
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Good. So a business owner can kick a socialist dumbass out of the building without having to claim religious grounds.

    Me likey!
    In America, yes; seemingly.

    However Huckabee Sanders could have been kicked out for multiple reasons: her name, her stupidity, her nastiness, maybe the restaurants retard quota was already maxed out... or perhaps...

    People just don’t want to eat with a fascist in their midsts.
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    25 Jun '18 19:27
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Yeah, that's what [b]all the Left Wingers are saying.🙄🙄[/b]
    So I assume you are OK with people being turned away because of the political bumper sticker on their car.

    Fair enough.
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    25 Jun '18 19:28
    Originally posted by @sleepyguy
    Yes, and maybe conservatives should start doing that. There are still more conservatives in the US than progressive liberals. Imagine if we acted the way they do.

    Oh you went to a Hillary rally? Well then get the hell out of my restaurant. You support abortion? Let's mount a twitter war to get you fired. One of these days push is going to come to shove.
    Pretty soon these forums will be one party only forums.

    It's just as well. It's not like people come here to debate or for different ideas.

    They just want to propagandize and humiliate their foes.
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    25 Jun '18 19:50
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    In America, yes; seemingly.

    However Huckabee Sanders could have been kicked out for multiple reasons: her name, her stupidity, her nastiness, maybe the restaurants retard quota was already maxed out... or perhaps...

    People just don’t want to eat with a fascist in their midsts.
    What about you Shav?

    I realize you are sooooo much better a person

    Perhaps someone could target you for your arrogance, your nastiness, and your foul little mouth.
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