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  1. Zugzwang
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    02 Dec '15 22:03
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/02/court-grants-impulsive-self-centred-mother-permission-to-die

    "Court grants woman right to die after 'losing her sparkle'"
    --Owen Bowcott (2 December 2015)
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    02 Dec '15 22:11
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/02/court-grants-impulsive-self-centred-mother-permission-to-die

    "Court grants woman right to die after 'losing her sparkle'"
    --Owen Bowcott (2 December 2015)
    If you could sell their body parts maybe the US federal government would create a law allowing this sort of thing.
  3. Standard memberfinnegan
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    02 Dec '15 23:31
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/02/court-grants-impulsive-self-centred-mother-permission-to-die

    "Court grants woman right to die after 'losing her sparkle'"
    --Owen Bowcott (2 December 2015)
    All the court ruled is that she is mentally competent to make decisions about her treatment. She wrecked her kidney in a suicide attempt. She has refused treatment. Nobody says they agree with her choice; her family would authorise treatment if the court overruled her right to refuse but the right to make the choice is hers as long as she is mentally competent.

    I am relieved that our courts do not want to impose treatment on us against our express wishes.
  4. Standard memberfinnegan
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    02 Dec '15 23:32
    Originally posted by whodey
    If you could sell their body parts maybe the US federal government would create a law allowing this sort of thing.
    Are you saying that in the US the law takes away your right to consent or refuse to consent to medical interventions? Is that supposed to be good?
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    02 Dec '15 23:47
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Are you saying that in the US the law takes away your right to consent or refuse to consent to medical interventions? Is that supposed to be good?
    Obamacare says we need to consult the IPAB first.

    This stands for the Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is a board that will seek "to reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending" by developing proposals to cut medical costs.

    So the IPAB will consider if the said person is very sick and costly to take care of. If so, then I'm sure letting them die would be a very cost effective alternative to treating them.
  6. The Catbird's Seat
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    02 Dec '15 23:51
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Are you saying that in the US the law takes away your right to consent or refuse to consent to medical interventions? Is that supposed to be good?
    Presuming the obvious, that one's body belongs to that individual, it is reasonable to prohibit individuals from selling those body parts. Instead, government grants the medical system power to sell those same body parts, and to do so at monopolistic prices, and take the proceeds from the rightful owner.
  7. Standard memberfinnegan
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    02 Dec '15 23:55
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Presuming the obvious, that one's body belongs to that individual, it is reasonable to prohibit individuals from selling those body parts. Instead, government grants the medical system power to sell those same body parts, and to do so at monopolistic prices, and take the proceeds from the rightful owner.
    You misread what whodey referred to and hence my reply.
  8. The Catbird's Seat
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    02 Dec '15 23:58
    Originally posted by finnegan
    You misread what whodey referred to and hence my reply.
    What makes you think that my statement is necessarily related to either your idea, or whodey's? Answer what I posted.
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    03 Dec '15 00:06
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Presuming the obvious, that one's body belongs to that individual, it is reasonable to prohibit individuals from selling those body parts. Instead, government grants the medical system power to sell those same body parts, and to do so at monopolistic prices, and take the proceeds from the rightful owner.
    It's all about the money honey!

    Whoever makes the most wins the debate! 😵
  10. The Catbird's Seat
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    03 Dec '15 00:26
    Originally posted by whodey
    It's all about the money honey!

    Whoever makes the most wins the debate! 😵
    In short, the government authorizes theft, so long as they get their cut. Just like a criminal mafia.
  11. Standard memberfinnegan
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    03 Dec '15 10:27
    Originally posted by normbenign
    In short, the government authorizes theft, so long as they get their cut. Just like a criminal mafia.
    nonsensical rant
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    03 Dec '15 13:40
    In the meantime the woman has died.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34991931
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    03 Dec '15 13:54
    Pretty soon we won't have the option. Instead, we will be like those poor veterans in the VA put on secret lists to die cuz they are just to expensive to care for because they are so sick.
  14. Standard memberfinnegan
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    03 Dec '15 14:14
    Originally posted by whodey
    Pretty soon we won't have the option. Instead, we will be like those poor veterans in the VA put on secret lists to die cuz they are just to expensive to care for because they are so sick.
    May be true of the American health system. The UK may be pushed in the same direction now the Tories are running amok but it has not happened yet. Not true in Europe.
  15. The Catbird's Seat
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    03 Dec '15 16:04
    Originally posted by finnegan
    nonsensical rant
    Just a statement of fact. One sentence, not a rant.
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