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  1. 03 Jun '13 22:59
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/june/03/ibragim-todashev-drones-policy-obama

    "The Shooting of Ibragim Todashev: is the lawlessness of Obama's drone
    policy coming home?"
    --George Monbiot (3 June 2013, 'The Guardian'

    "If--and it remains a big if--this was an extrajudicial execution, it was one
    of hundreds commissioned since Barack Obama first took office. The
    difference in this case is that it took place on American soil. Elsewhere,
    suspects are bumped off without even the right to the lawyerless interview
    Ibragim Todashev was given.
    ...
    But he (US President Obama) failed to explain which (US) constitutional
    principles permit him to authorise the killing of people in nations with which
    the US is not at war....So what is due process if doesn't involve the courts?
    Whatever the (US) president says it is?
    ...
    If Obama and his nameless advisors say someone is a terrorist, he stands
    convicted and can be put to death. Left hanging in his speech is the
    implication that non-US citizens may be killed without even the pretence
    of due process. The many hundreds killed in drone strikes...are afforded
    no rights *even in principle*. ... Under the Obama doctrine, innocent until
    proved guilty has mutated to innocent until proved dead."
    --George Monbiot
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    04 Jun '13 00:01
    ...

    Drones?