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  1. Subscriberkmax87
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    21 Jun '18 15:19
    Call me whatever, but, Trump against all indicators to the contrary is setting up America to be the capstone of a new world economy, where pragmatism and business interests will lead America to become a mirror image of China, except for a concession on freedom to speak, freedom to bear arms and the freedom to practice religion.

    To facilitate this end game, America now enjoys a radically lowered tax code, that coupled with a radically gutted EPA where the days of getting approval to initiate a major public infrastructure works will no longer take 16 years (Trumps assertion) which will place America on the threshold of a new era of business activity that will see Trump's first 500 days seem like amateur hour. Cutting of red tape has been accelerated by starving major public administrations of staff, which is the necessary precondition for America to be a very attractive destination for foreign money. It will surprise many when they see the savior of American xenophobia and isolationism, also be the chief cheer leader and facilitator of foreign money, mainly Chinese (in reality American Sovereign Debt) find its way back onto American shores and 10 years down the track, the differentiating line between where America ends and China begins will be very hard to determine.

    Whats the alternative? Hunker down at China owning so much American debt and try and provoke WW3? You've got to be kidding. Why else is Russia and Putin being talked up as being allowed back into the fold in a G8? The global village can not be formed without the input of the world's greatest economic and military powers. This is real politic and Trump the apparent buffoon is making it happen!

    The trade war with China that is apparently being ramped up at the moment, will also collapse as suddenly as Rocket Man got his Trump handshake in Singapore or his 180 on separating and locking up the kids of illegal immigrants.

    At the point that Mueller is ready to lay charges and the Democrats amp up the drumbeat of impeachment, Trump will have forged such significant and primary links with China and Russia, that will unleash such a surge in business interest and the green lighting of so many grand infrastructure projects, that inmho, public and congressional sentiment will make Mueller's investigation just go away and the midterms will come and go and the Trump GOP will end up with an increased majority in both houses!

    The biggest danger to the traditional notion of what the American way of life is, will be a closer symbiotic relationship between America and China with Trump the negotiator taking all the credit as he and his number one partner, Xi, level a playing field between both countries and the engine rooms of both economies become optimized to function with complete resonance such that every other world economy will be scrambling to get on board to get in on the deal.

    Ironically it will be Trump that finishes off the process begun in 1948 with the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) that transformed into the World trade organization (WTO) in 1994. What has America's role been in the realization of the WTO? Well, American fleets made safe almost tariff free international trade possible for all the nations willing to sign up to GATT and in between the Korean War and Vietnam and all the other Cold War domino theory "Police Actions", the network of global trade and the rise of the corporations and transnational/multinational companies, many of which are much more powerful than most of the world's nations, now make the dream of the Global village just a breath away.

    Did you think Trump was ever really going to stop this merger? Or is Trump's apparent weakness and apparent jeopardy to have all his corrupt dealings exposed, rather the perfect foil, the reality show to end all reality show's where the other Trump, you know the surefooted business opportunist that regardless of how you rate his business acumen, has still managed to cling on to a sizable fortune, with golf courses the world over, and regardless of how you despise or caricature his narcissism or his philistine behavior, has become the President of the USA and has created an international arena, where all eyes are on his every next move.

    Discuss.
  2. Subscriberkmax87
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    21 Jun '18 16:16
    Originally posted by @kmax87
    Call me whatever, but, Trump against all indicators to the contrary is setting up America to be the capstone of a new world economy, where pragmatism and business interests will lead America to become a mirror image of China, except for a concession on freedom to speak, freedom to bear arms and the freedom to practice religion.

    To facilitate this end game ...[text shortened]... and has created an international arena, where all eyes are on his every next move.

    Discuss.
    Pop quiz.

    How much foreign ownership is there of America's top ports and container facilities?

    How has that percentage changed over the past 20years?

    Of the ten largest shipping companies, how many of them are Chinese? How many are American?

    How important is the flow of shipping to the health of World trade?
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    21 Jun '18 16:38
    Donald Trump has, at best, a middle schooler's mastery of economics. There is no such thing as a Trump economic doctrine; he lacks the know-how to be able to formulate one. Consequently, there can't be any long-term thought process behind Trump's statements relating to economic policy. What does influence U.S. economic policy? A hodgepodge of various advisers jostling for influence and Donald Trump's ear and GOP donors setting Congress' agenda, interspersed with Trump's own bizarre ideas about trade and trade deficits in particular.
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    21 Jun '18 17:101 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Donald Trump has, at best, a middle schooler's mastery of economics. There is no such thing as a Trump economic doctrine; he lacks the know-how to be able to formulate one. Consequently, there can't be any long-term thought process behind Trump's statements relating to economic policy. What does influence U.S. economic policy? A hodgepodge of various a ...[text shortened]... genda, interspersed with Trump's own bizarre ideas about trade and trade deficits in particular.
    You would probably enjoy watching the withering criticism Wilbur Ross endured yesterday in front of the Senate Finance Committee. I only caught the tail end but from what I saw the gist was that Senators from both sides are very alarmed about the unintended consequences from the massive game of chicken the Trump admin is playing with tariffs.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?447151-1/commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-testifies-trade-tariffs
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    21 Jun '18 17:22
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Donald Trump has, at best, a middle schooler's mastery of economics. There is no such thing as a Trump economic doctrine; he lacks the know-how to be able to formulate one. Consequently, there can't be any long-term thought process behind Trump's statements relating to economic policy. What does influence U.S. economic policy? A hodgepodge of various a ...[text shortened]... genda, interspersed with Trump's own bizarre ideas about trade and trade deficits in particular.
    Two words.

    President Bannon.
  6. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    21 Jun '18 17:33
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    Two words.

    President Bannon.
    The democrats prefer a "President Pence" scenario. Not sure why.
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    21 Jun '18 18:02
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    The democrats prefer a "President Pence" scenario. Not sure why.
    "Flat Earth" "Dinosaurs on Earth 4000 years ago" "no Darwin in schools" Pence does make a good poison pill.

    Have to hand that to the Donald.
  8. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    21 Jun '18 18:36
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    "Flat Earth" "Dinosaurs on Earth 4000 years ago" "no Darwin in schools" Pence does make a good poison pill.

    Have to hand that to the Donald.
    Maybe Pence is (in the words of Trump-hater Strzok) his "insurance policy."
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    21 Jun '18 18:401 edit
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Maybe Pence is (in the words of Trump-hater Strzok) his "insurance policy."
    Mike Pence is one of Donnie's little lap dogs. Sit up, Mike! Roll over, Mike! Speak, Mike! Play Dead, Mike! Jump through the hoop, Mike!

    Oh, Mike. I thought we house broke you. Bad Mike!! 😴
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    21 Jun '18 18:57
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Mike Pence is one of Donnie's little lap dogs. Sit up, Mike! Roll over, Mike! Speak, Mike! Play Dead, Mike! Jump through the hoop, Mike!

    Oh, Mike. I thought we house broke you. Bad Mike!! 😴
    LOL
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    21 Jun '18 20:59
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Mike Pence is one of Donnie's little lap dogs. Sit up, Mike! Roll over, Mike! Speak, Mike! Play Dead, Mike! Jump through the hoop, Mike!

    Oh, Mike. I thought we house broke you. Bad Mike!! 😴
    Where's your water bottle ?? 😀
  12. Subscriberkmax87
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    23 Jun '18 13:011 edit
    Originally posted by @kmax87
    ......At the point that Mueller is ready to lay charges and the Democrats amp up the drumbeat of impeachment, Trump will have forged such significant and primary links with China and Russia, that will unleash such a surge in business interest and the green lighting of so many grand infrastructure projects, that inmho, public and congressional sentiment will make Mueller's investigation just go away.....
    Any buyers?
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    23 Jun '18 13:09
    Originally posted by @kmax87
    Any buyers?
    None here. IF Mueller's final report is as damaging as I think it will be and coupled with indictments of Donald's inner circle I do not think he will survive. The recent immigration brouhaha and Trump's quick retreat show he and the Republicans are politically vulnerable (after all, virtually all their policy proposals are opposed by significant majorities of Americans) and further that they know it.

    Furthermore, Trump's foreign policy incompetence makes any real deals with other countries' unlikely; he is simply too mercurial and temperamental (traits reinforced by the sycophantic treatment he receives from Fox News and others) for other countries to take seriously.
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    23 Jun '18 13:26
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Donald Trump has, at best, a middle schooler's mastery of economics. There is no such thing as a Trump economic doctrine; he lacks the know-how to be able to formulate one. Consequently, there can't be any long-term thought process behind Trump's statements relating to economic policy. What does influence U.S. economic policy? A hodgepodge of various a ...[text shortened]... genda, interspersed with Trump's own bizarre ideas about trade and trade deficits in particular.
    The same might have been said about Reagan in the early part of his Presidency, however we still hear the term Reaganomics.

    The principal difference of course is that Reagan knew how to act like a President.
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    23 Jun '18 13:351 edit
    Originally posted by @deepthought
    The same might have been said about Reagan in the early part of his Presidency, however we still hear the term Reaganomics.

    The principal difference of course is that Reagan knew how to act like a President.
    Reagan's views might not have been all that well-formed, but his basic philosophy was consistent with his economic advisers'.

    I think it is reasonably clear that the Donald's are not at least regarding tariffs and other protectionist measures.
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