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  1. 11 May '14 21:58
    Some of the 'unpersuadables' and their opponents in this forum may be
    interested in this book about the persistence of apparently irrational beliefs.

    _The Unpersuadables: Adventures With the Enemies of Science_
    by Will Storr (2014), originally published as _The Heretics_ (2013).

    Will Storr could find enough material for a second edition by examining
    the posts of some writers at RHP.

    Will Storr, a journalist, has admitted that his knowledge is 'broad but shallow'.
    This fact seems to influence how he handles some subjects in his book.
    For instance, while he strongly disagrees with most of David Irving's beliefs
    (such as minimizing the Holocaust), Will Storr seems too easily impressed
    by David Irving's supposed 'high intelligence' as a historical writer because,
    it seems to me, David Irving could overwhelm him with a wave of alleged
    facts and figures and Will Storr's too ignorant to notice its major flaws.

    This book is an easy-to-read journalist's survey, not an academic study.
  2. 11 May '14 22:21
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Some of the 'unpersuadables' and their opponents in this forum may be
    interested in this book about the persistence of apparently irrational beliefs.

    _The Unpersuadables: Adventures With the Enemies of Science_
    by Will Storr (2014), originally published as _The Heretics_ (2013).

    Will Storr could find enough material for a second edition by examinin ...[text shortened]... ice its major flaws.

    This book is an easy-to-read journalist's survey, not an academic study.
    "High intelligence as a historical writer " .... Wow ! , the wheels of industry will come to an end if it wasn't for historical writers ,
  3. 11 May '14 23:45
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Some of the 'unpersuadables' and their opponents in this forum may be
    interested in this book about the persistence of apparently irrational beliefs.

    _The Unpersuadables: Adventures With the Enemies of Science_
    by Will Storr (2014), originally published as _The Heretics_ (2013).

    Will Storr could find enough material for a second edition by examinin ...[text shortened]... ice its major flaws.

    This book is an easy-to-read journalist's survey, not an academic study.
    Whether an "easy-to-read journalist's survey, not an academic study" history is said to be written by the victors.

    Also a great many of the scientific breakthroughs of the past were made by unpersuadable persons. The notion that microscopic organisms caused illness was heresy to scientists when proposed by Louis Pasteur.

    It turns out that many "apparently irrational beliefs" are in the end rational.
  4. 11 May '14 23:53 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by phil3000
    "High intelligence as a historical writer " .... Wow ! , the wheels of industry will come to an end if it wasn't for historical writers ,
    In the (apparently likely) case that Phil3000 has poor 'reading comprehension',
    I would like to make it clear that I regard David Irving, an extreme right-wing
    white British racist (who might well feel at home in this forum), as a very
    dishonest and biased historical writer (he's not an academic historian) of
    *not* 'high intelligence' at all. My point was that Will Stor, a journalist, lacked
    enough historical knowledge to argue on many historical issues against him.
    Richard Evans, a British historian who's a specialist on modern German history,
    has written a book convincingly denouncing David Irving as a 'historian'.

    David Irving might have sympathizers among those Britons who support
    the British National Party (BNP) or the English Defence League (EDL).
  5. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    11 May '14 23:54 / 2 edits
    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/182156

    Much Madness is divinest Sense -
    To a discerning Eye -
    Much Sense - the starkest Madness -
    ’Tis the Majority
    In this, as all, prevail -
    Assent - and you are sane -
    Demur - you’re straightway dangerous -
    And handled with a Chain -
  6. 11 May '14 23:56
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Whether an "easy-to-read journalist's survey, not an academic study" history is said to be written by the victors.

    Also a great many of the scientific breakthroughs of the past were made by unpersuadable persons. The notion that microscopic organisms caused illness was heresy to scientists when proposed by Louis Pasteur.

    It turns out that many "apparently irrational beliefs" are in the end rational.
    David Irving has long been busy soliciting contributions from people who
    admire him and his work or support his extreme right-wing political cause.
    Would Normbenign like to join the 'friends' of David Irving?
  7. 12 May '14 00:07
    Contrary to what some people apparently assume without reading the book,
    Will Storr usually attempts to be sympathetic toward 'unpersuadable' people
    and do what he can to understand their motives. He does not simply pick
    on his subjects by saying, "Look at how bizarre and irrational is X's belief".
  8. 12 May '14 00:59
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    David Irving has long been busy soliciting contributions from people who
    admire him and his work or support his extreme right-wing political cause.
    Would Normbenign like to join the 'friends' of David Irving?
    I have no interest in David Irving. I have no interest in your regard or lack of it for him.