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  1. Standard membershavixmir
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    10 May '16 13:22
    In its 2300 year history, two nations have managed to claim they have the greatest democracy in the world. The US and the Greeks. And when the Greeks claimed it, they were the only democracy in the world.

    What the hell is wrong with the US? Every time you see a politician or a FOX news presenter on TV, they’re always claiming “The US is the greatest democracy in the world.”
    Well, besides Trump, he says: “We have the bestest democracy in the world, and I can know, because I know a lot of democracy’s personally, and we’ve got the goodest.”
    The message is the same though. It’s rather repetative and I don’t know any other country that keeps saying stuff like that.

    Do these Americans think that if they keep repeating it, it will become a truth? A sort of psycho-somatic reality?
    I mean, either you believe it is true (then you don’t need to keep repeating it).
    Or you don’t believe it’s true (and repeating it isn’t going to convince you at all).

    And it sounds stupid.
    Like a 6 year old saying to her friend: “My barbie is the best barbie in the world.”
    Sure it is.

    You don’t hear the Germans constantly saying: “Germany has the best Schnitzels in the world.”
    Or the Dutch murmuring: “We have the best weed, come to Holland, no better does weed better than us.”

    And do these American repeatists actually believe their democracy is better than Sweden’s? Or the Netherlands’?

    To me it sounds like they’re covering up a cess-pit of undemocracy. Why on Earth would you feel obligated to repeat such blatant nonsense?
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    10 May '16 13:36
    Well what do you expect politicians to say?
    "Gee,,,,America sort of sucks as a democracy....other countries are way better...vote for me."
    Just another one of your "hate on America" threads that are so common on this site.
  3. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    10 May '16 13:411 edit
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    In its 2300 year history, two nations have managed to claim they have the greatest democracy in the world. The US and the Greeks. And when the Greeks claimed it, they were the only democracy in the world.

    What the hell is wrong with the US? Every time you see a politician or a FOX news presenter on TV, they’re always claiming “The US is the greatest de ...[text shortened]... cess-pit of undemocracy. Why on Earth would you feel obligated to repeat such blatant nonsense?
    Our Barbie is 10 feet tall, weighs 1,000 pounds, and shoots lasers our of her eyes.
    'Merica. Eff yeah. Good job on the weed though.

    That's the fun response, anyway. The truth is our political system is corrupt through and through, most of us know it, and we don't know how to fix it.
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    10 May '16 14:37
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    In its 2300 year history, two nations have managed to claim they have the greatest democracy in the world. The US and the Greeks. And when the Greeks claimed it, they were the only democracy in the world.

    What the hell is wrong with the US? Every time you see a politician or a FOX news presenter on TV, they’re always claiming “The US is the greatest de ...[text shortened]... cess-pit of undemocracy. Why on Earth would you feel obligated to repeat such blatant nonsense?
    First of all the United States is not a democracy, but a republic. It uses democracy to elect government officials, but our founders saw the evils of pure democracy and avoided most of them.

    When you start taking news readers seriously, you're in trouble.
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    10 May '16 14:44
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Our Barbie is 10 feet tall, weighs 1,000 pounds, and shoots lasers our of her eyes.
    'Merica. Eff yeah. Good job on the weed though.

    That's the fun response, anyway. The truth is our political system is corrupt through and through, most of us know it, and we don't know how to fix it.
    Every system of government is evil. Some are more evil than others.

    "That government is best which governs least."
    T. Jefferson, H. D. Thoreau

    Less mandates, fewer prohibitions, more personal choice.
  6. The Catbird's Seat
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    10 May '16 14:47
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Well what do you expect politicians to say?
    "Gee,,,,America sort of sucks as a democracy....other countries are way better...vote for me."
    Just another one of your "hate on America" threads that are so common on this site.
    If Americas sucks so badly, how is it that people keep trying to get in by any means necessary?
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    10 May '16 15:32
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Well what do you expect politicians to say?
    "Gee,,,,America sort of sucks as a democracy....other countries are way better...vote for me."
    Just another one of your "hate on America" threads that are so common on this site.
    One way to improve something is to recognize that something is wrong or could be improved, and a way to learn something about how to improve something is to have a look at someone else who is doing that something in a different and possibly more effective way.
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    10 May '16 15:34
    Originally posted by normbenign
    First of all the United States is not a democracy, but a republic. It uses democracy to elect government officials, but our founders saw the evils of pure democracy and avoided most of them.

    When you start taking news readers seriously, you're in trouble.
    What's "pure democracy" and which society has implemented it?
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    10 May '16 15:43
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    One way to improve something is to recognize that something is wrong or could be improved, and a way to learn something about how to improve something is to have a look at someone else who is doing that something in a different and possibly more effective way.
    That is why the US has a Congress (full time) with no shortage of suggestions on how to improve things.

    It is purposely cumbersome, so that we don't screw things up with the improvements.
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    10 May '16 15:45
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What's "pure democracy" and which society has implemented it?
    Not us! We avoided that pitfall.
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    10 May '16 15:49
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Not us! We avoided that pitfall.
    So what is it, and who has implemented it?
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    10 May '16 15:53
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Every system of government is evil. Some are more evil than others.

    "That government is best which governs least."
    T. Jefferson, H. D. Thoreau

    Less mandates, fewer prohibitions, more personal choice.
    "more personal choice"
    yeh, choose between a republican or a democrat. incredible amount of personal choice.
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    10 May '16 15:55
    Originally posted by normbenign
    If Americas sucks so badly, how is it that people keep trying to get in by any means necessary?
    because other countries suck more. if you are going hungry in your country, you tend to care less that america has an idiotic undemocratic system.
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    10 May '16 15:56
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    So what is it, and who has implemented it?
    Actually, I was wrong. We haven't avoided it. We routinely have direct democratic votes on particular initiatives, promoted by political advocacy groups. They are called referendums, and that is direct democracy. They are invoked all over the world and hailed as a good thing.
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    10 May '16 15:56
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Not us! We avoided that pitfall.
    So what is it, and who has implemented it?

    and what are those evils you spoke off and who succumbed to them?
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