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  1. 21 Sep '13 21:29 / 1 edit
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

    On 23 January 1961, a USAF B-52 bomber accidentally dropped two
    Mark 39 hydrogen bombs (each with a yield of 4 megatons) near
    Goldsboro, North Carolina. One hydrogen bomb almost detonated.
    Of its four safety mechanisms, three failed and only one simple switch
    (which had a reputation for being unreliable) stopped the detonation.

    What could have happened if the hydrogen bomb had detonated?
    I doubt that the US government could have completely covered it up.
    Americans might have become less blindly trusting of the US government
    and the US military. The United States might have become less militaristic
    and perhaps reduced or even avoided its entanglement in the Vietnam War.
    So the thermonuclear 'mushroom cloud' might have had a 'silver lining'.
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    21 Sep '13 21:34
    American engineering - bad luck can hit four times out of five, but an American weapon has enough redundancy to handle such bad luck.

    What's going to happen when North Korea nukes itself?
  3. 21 Sep '13 21:43
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

    On 23 January 1961, a USAF B-52 bomber accidentally dropped two
    Mark 39 hydrogen bombs (each with a yield of 4 megatons) near
    Goldsboro, North Carolina. One hydrogen bomb almost detonated.
    Of its four safety mechanism, three failed and only one simple switch
    (which ha ...[text shortened]... in the Vietnam War.
    So the thermonuclear 'mushroom cloud' might have had a 'silver lining'.
    It isn't Americans that are militaristic, its the international businessmen who use the US military to achieve their goals that are militaristic. When you can vote for puppet R or puppet D you are guaranteed that you will elect a puppet.
  4. 21 Sep '13 21:51
    Originally posted by Eladar
    It isn't Americans that are militaristic, its the international businessmen who use the US military to achieve their goals that are militaristic. When you can vote for puppet R or puppet D you are guaranteed that you will elect a puppet.
    It is collectivism. To produce a world dominate military, you must first create a centralized large pot of cash that one or a few people can get their hands on. The next thing you know they are sending your children all over the world to die for "political security" or "social justice", whichever is the flavor of the month.
  5. 22 Sep '13 01:27
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

    On 23 January 1961, a USAF B-52 bomber accidentally dropped two
    Mark 39 hydrogen bombs (each with a yield of 4 megatons) near
    Goldsboro, North Carolina. One hydrogen bomb almost detonated.
    Of its four safety mechanisms, three failed and only one simple switch
    (which h ...[text shortened]... in the Vietnam War.
    So the thermonuclear 'mushroom cloud' might have had a 'silver lining'.
    By then the military industrial complex had become the strong arm of the elite. Nothing would get in the way including a scenario such as this. Yes it would easily have been covered up.
  6. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    22 Sep '13 03:56
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Yes it would easily have been covered up.
    Perhaps somewhere else it already has!

    What part of the US do you believe may only exist on a map?
  7. 23 Sep '13 01:50
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961

    On 23 January 1961, a USAF B-52 bomber accidentally dropped two
    Mark 39 hydrogen bombs (each with a yield of 4 megatons) near
    Goldsboro, North Carolina. One hydrogen bomb almost detonated.
    Of its four safety mechanisms, three failed and only one simple switch
    (which h ...[text shortened]... ent in the Vietnam War.
    So the thermonuclear \'mushroom cloud\' might have had a \'silver lining\'.
    And why are we to blindly trust "the guardian" to inform us of what happened back in 1961, the year I graduated from high school?

    The question is about as relevant as "What if bullfrogs had wings?"
  8. 23 Sep '13 02:57
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Perhaps somewhere else it already has!

    What part of the US do you believe may only exist on a map?
    I realize that you understand that I didn't mean cover up damage that would have been caused by scenario given by Duchess. An example of a cover up scenario could be that Operation Northwoods would have really happened a year earlier. Instead of hyjacking planes and blaming the Cubans, they would have just said the Cubans shot down the plane with H bombs aboard and they went off. Cuba could then be invaded, and nobody would have doubted the story. Just one of many ways it could be covered up. To answer your question,the only part of the US that may only exist on a map is dirt and debris that gets under the hood and settles on it.
  9. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    23 Sep '13 05:12
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    I realize that you understand that I didn\'t mean cover up damage that would have been caused by scenario given by Duchess. An example of a cover up scenario could be that Operation Northwoods would have really happened a year earlier. Instead of hyjacking planes and blaming the Cubans, they would have just said the Cubans shot down the plane with H bombs ...[text shortened]... e US that may only exist on a map is dirt and debris that gets under the hood and settles on it.
    My point is if as you claim the government could cover-up a nuclear accident "and nobody would have doubted the story" - how do you know they have not?
  10. 24 Sep '13 01:26
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    My point is if as you claim the government could cover-up a nuclear accident "and nobody would have doubted the story" - how do you know they have not?
    There has been no giant fireballs and massive destruction to cover up. If a nuke goes of in the United States, word will get out. The cover up would be how the government explains it.
  11. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    24 Sep '13 04:42
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    There has been no giant fireballs and massive destruction to cover up. If a nuke goes of in the United States, word will get out. The cover up would be how the government explains it.
    In reply to the OP you said "Yes it would easily have been covered up."

    Now you say "If a nuke goes of in the United States, word will get out."

  12. 24 Sep '13 04:51
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    In reply to the OP you said "Yes it would easily have been covered up."

    Now you say "If a nuke goes of in the United States, word will get out."

    Why are you being so obtuse ?
    Joe is not saying they could hide the explosion/incident itself but would "cover it up" with a bogus story placing the blame elsewhere.
    I think that is quite obvious to anyone who has been following this thread.
  13. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    24 Sep '13 07:35
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Why are you being so obtuse ?
    Joe is not saying they could hide the explosion/incident itself but would "cover it up" with a bogus story placing the blame elsewhere.
    I think that is quite obvious to anyone who has been following this thread.
    I obviously wasn't following this thread!
  14. 26 Sep '13 02:52
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    I obviously wasn't following this thread!
    obviously
  15. 26 Sep '13 03:40
    This thread must have taken a direction that does not interest Duchess.