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  1. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    30 Jul '11 12:08
    Is now the right time for Nixon's Watergate testimony release?
  2. 30 Jul '11 12:31
    Why not? Might contain something interesting.
  3. 30 Jul '11 14:09
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Why not? Might contain something interesting.
    Why?
  4. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    30 Jul '11 14:12
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Why?
    Momentous piece of history. I gather that it is a historian who made the request for the release of the testimony.
  5. Standard member RevRSleeker
    CerebrallyChallenged
    30 Jul '11 14:33
    yes, would be marvellous but read the frost on nixon book, not the 'halfway house' film, if you want more than an idea...elements not included in both are available online if you look hard enough.
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    30 Jul '11 14:41
    The revelations a few years back were interesting, where Rev. Billy Graham was advocating genocide in Nixon's Oval Office.
  7. 30 Jul '11 15:40
    Originally posted by FMF
    Is now the right time for Nixon's Watergate testimony release?
    Time right was 35 years ago.
  8. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    30 Jul '11 23:58
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Time right was 35 years ago.
    So true.

    As a minor side note:

    Black activists, women activists, indian activists, are spied on, shot at, sabotaged, disrupted. This gets disclosed and it's no big of a deal.

    South Vietnamese get bombed, fumigated, killed by the dozens, North Vietnamese get bombed killed by the dozens, Laotians get bombed, Cambodians get bombed into smithereens. Once again this gets disclosed and it's no big of a deal.

    A couple of politicians are spied, a whistle blower has a team of incompetent nincompoops trying to get some dirt on him... and the world goes crazy, and the president goes down and everybody is happy because we have a press that stands up and fights power...
    I really don't get the Watergate hysteria and mythology.
  9. 31 Jul '11 00:35
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Time right was 35 years ago.
    Yep.
  10. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    31 Jul '11 01:12
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Black activists, women activists, indian activists, are spied on, shot at, sabotaged, disrupted. This gets disclosed and it's no big of a deal.

    South Vietnamese get bombed, fumigated, killed by the dozens, North Vietnamese get bombed killed by the dozens, Laotians get bombed, Cambodians get bombed into smithereens. Once again this gets disclosed and ...[text shortened]... that stands up and fights power...
    I really don't get the Watergate hysteria and mythology.
    How deliciously and typically pompous of you to assume that people here might only be capable of thinking of one thought at a time, while there you are attempting to hijack and deploy the fate of "minority activists, Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians" to score a condescending willy waving point and wearing the suffering and struggle of others upon your sleeve.
  11. 31 Jul '11 19:28
    Originally posted by FMF
    How deliciously and typically pompous of you to assume that people here might only be capable of thinking of one thought at a time, while there you are attempting to hijack and deploy the fate of "minority activists, Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians" to score a condescending willy waving point and wearing the suffering and struggle of others upon your sleeve.
    I don't think that was the point Adam Warlock was trying to make. We had quite a bit of surveillance and government messing with social movements at the time, and there has long been the feeling that Watergate just touched on the issue. The Cointelpro Hearings of the late 70s didn't get the coverage they should have, where it was revealed that police and other agencies had stacked the movements with plants in order to disrupt them, somethings pushing for extreme actions, and sometimes as petty as sowing dissension by spreading rumors about sexual infidelity. Cointelpro was officially shut down, but many activists think that a number of the practices have been revived by the loose wording of the Patriot Act and a lack of oversight from elected bodies. So some are frustrated at the emphasis on the more sensational or big-name-involvement stories.
  12. 31 Jul '11 19:49
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    So true.

    As a minor side note:

    Black activists, women activists, indian activists, are spied on, shot at, sabotaged, disrupted. This gets disclosed and it's no big of a deal.

    South Vietnamese get bombed, fumigated, killed by the dozens, North Vietnamese get bombed killed by the dozens, Laotians get bombed, Cambodians get bombed into smit ...[text shortened]... that stands up and fights power...
    I really don't get the Watergate hysteria and mythology.
    To an outsider it may appear that Nixon and Reagan were the best US Presidents in the 20th century.
  13. 31 Jul '11 20:06
    Originally posted by retiarius
    To an outsider it may appear that Nixon and Reagan were the best US Presidents in the 20th century.
    Not the ones I'd pick.
  14. 31 Jul '11 20:34
    Originally posted by retiarius
    To an outsider it may appear that Nixon and Reagan were the best US Presidents in the 20th century.
    Uh, to an outsider from the Andromeda Galaxy?
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    31 Jul '11 23:22
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    I don't think that was the point Adam Warlock was trying to make. We had quite a bit of surveillance and government messing with social movements at the time, and there has long been the feeling that Watergate just touched on the issue. The Cointelpro Hearings of the late 70s didn't get the coverage they should have, where it was revealed that police and ot ...[text shortened]... o some are frustrated at the emphasis on the more sensational or big-name-involvement stories.
    And how does discussing the release of Nixon's testimony in any way suggest that those other things are being denied or covered up? How can it in any way be seen as claiming that the Cointelpro Hearings of the late 70s got sufficient coverage, for instance? Are you and adam saying that Nixon's Watergate testimony shouldn't be released at this time and that welcoming it is tantamount to not understanding the Patriot Act? Surely not.