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  1. Zugzwang
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    05 Oct '17 02:27
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/alabama-voting-poll-tax

    "Too poor to vote: how Alabama’s ‘new poll tax’ bars thousands of people from voting."

    "In Alabama, money keeps thousands of people away from the ballot box – and
    the state’s felon disenfranchisement policies are probably unconstitutional."

    "But in Alabama and eight other states from Nevada to Tennessee,
    anyone who has lost the franchise cannot regain it until they pay off any
    outstanding court fines, legal fees and victim restitution.

    In Alabama, that requirement has fostered an underclass of thousands of
    people who are unable to vote because they do not have enough money."

    "Alabama’s felon disenfranchisement policies are probably unconstitutional,
    and they have disparate impacts on felons who are poor, black, or both,
    according to experts.

    In 1964, the 24th amendment abolished the poll tax, but to this day in
    Alabama, money keeps thousands of people away from the ballot box.
    According to the Sentencing Project, a Washington DC-based criminal
    justice reform non-profit, there are 286,266 disenfranchised felons in Alabama,
    or 7.62% of the state’s voting-age population.

    More than half of those disenfranchised felons are black, despite the fact
    that African Americans made up only 26.8% of the state’s population as
    of July 2016, according to a US census estimate."
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    05 Oct '17 08:11
    I thought all felons were disenfranchised.
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    05 Oct '17 11:551 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/alabama-voting-poll-tax

    "Too poor to vote: how Alabama’s ‘new poll tax’ bars thousands of people from voting."

    "In Alabama, money keeps thousands of people away from the ballot box – and
    the state’s felon disenfranchisement policies are probably unconstitutional."

    "But in Alabama and eight other s ...[text shortened]... e up only 26.8% of the state’s population as
    of July 2016, according to a US census estimate."
    This is an outrage!

    Why should felons and criminals have to pay for what they have done, especially since Trump made them do it?

    Racists!
  4. Subscribersonhouse
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    05 Oct '17 14:32
    Originally posted by @whodey
    This is an outrage!

    Why should felons and criminals have to pay for what they have done, especially since Trump made them do it?

    Racists!
    Have you gone off your meds again?
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    05 Oct '17 14:58
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Have you gone off your meds again?
    DIm talking points are all I need for medicine.

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  6. Germany
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    05 Oct '17 15:25
    Originally posted by @whodey
    This is an outrage!

    Why should felons and criminals have to pay for what they have done, especially since Trump made them do it?

    Racists!
    So you support poll taxes?
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    05 Oct '17 15:33
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    So you support poll taxes?
    You taught me that all taxation is good.
  8. Germany
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    05 Oct '17 15:35
    Originally posted by @whodey
    You taught me that all taxation is good.
    How about a straight answer?
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    05 Oct '17 15:39
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    How about a straight answer?
    Should we ask for ID when buying alcohol?

    Is that racist too?
  10. Germany
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    05 Oct '17 15:52
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Should we ask for ID when buying alcohol?

    Is that racist too?
    Poll tax. Yes/no?
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    05 Oct '17 18:46
    It is a misleading title, better would be not allowing felons to vote.

    Yes, felons are people, but others don't really care much if felons can't vote.
  12. Standard memberfinnegan
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    05 Oct '17 21:32
    Originally posted by @eladar
    It is a misleading title, better would be not allowing felons to vote.

    Yes, felons are people, but others don't really care much if felons can't vote.
    Poll taxes have traditionally been used to suppress voting in Southern states of the US, so that the propotion of the population voing for any representative is a laughably small fraction of the voter numbers in other states. It's a system that has worked for a long long time to keep politics out of the hands of the people and secure the reelection of right wing politicians.

    Either you want a democracy or not and the US does not.
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    05 Oct '17 23:43
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    Poll taxes have traditionally been used to suppress voting in Southern states of the US, so that the propotion of the population voing for any representative is a laughably small fraction of the voter numbers in other states. It's a system that has worked for a long long time to keep politics out of the hands of the people and secure the reelection of right wing politicians.

    Either you want a democracy or not and the US does not.
    They should just make it so no felons can vote. It takes away the poll tax issue.
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    05 Oct '17 23:50
    Originally posted by @eladar
    They should just make it so no felons can vote. It takes away the poll tax issue.
    Actually the solution is even simpler. Don't commit felonies or if you commit felonies pay the associated fees or if you commit felonies and refuse to pay the associated fees understand you may lose some of the privileges the upstanding members of our society receive.
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    06 Oct '17 00:03
    Originally posted by @quackquack
    Actually the solution is even simpler. Don't commit felonies or if you commit felonies pay the associated fees or if you commit felonies and refuse to pay the associated fees understand you may lose some of the privileges the upstanding members of our society receive.
    If you are extremely poor, then don't commit the crime could be the only option.
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