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  1. Zugzwang
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    21 Oct '18 20:53
    Donald Trump continues his crusade against transgender people.
    Does Caitlyn Jenner, who had supported him, now recognize her foolishness?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/21/trump-administration-define-transgender-out-of-existence-new-york-times

    "Trump administration trying to define transgender out of existence – report
    Gender would be defined at birth as only male or female."

    "The Trump administration is attempting to strip transgender people
    of official recognition by creating a narrow definition of gender as
    being only male or female and unchangeable once determined at
    birth, the New York Times reported."

    "That definition would be as either male or female, unchangeable,
    and determined by the genitals a person is born with, the Times reported."

    "The Trump administration has sought to ban transgender people from
    military service and rescinded guidance to public schools recommending
    that transgender students be allowed to use the bathroom of their choice."

    "Psychiatrists no longer consider being transgender a disorder and
    several US courts have found the Obama interpretation of protecting
    transgender people against discrimination to be sound."
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    21 Oct '18 20:56
    @duchess64 said
    Donald Trump continues his crusade against transgender people.
    Does Caitlyn Jenner, who had supported him, now recognize her foolishness?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/21/trump-administration-define-transgender-out-of-existence-new-york-times

    "Trump administration trying to define transgender out of existence – report
    Gender would be defined at birth as ...[text shortened]... und the Obama interpretation of protecting
    transgender people against discrimination to be sound."
    So does this mean I can self identify as another race if I want?
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    21 Oct '18 21:01
    @duchess64 said
    Donald Trump continues his crusade against transgender people.
    Does Caitlyn Jenner, who had supported him, now recognize her foolishness?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/21/trump-administration-define-transgender-out-of-existence-new-york-times

    "Trump administration trying to define transgender out of existence – report
    Gender would be defined at birth as ...[text shortened]... und the Obama interpretation of protecting
    transgender people against discrimination to be sound."
    The Trump administration is attempting to strip transgender people of official recognition




    I wonder if "Caitlyn Jenner" will have to give back the Olympic gold medal HE won in 1976, now that he is now a she, or an it or whatever they call themselves now.
  4. Behind the scenes
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    21 Oct '18 21:03
    @whodey said
    So does this mean I can self identify as another race if I want?
    Why don't you identify yourself far away from these forums - permanently! 🙂
  5. Germany
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    21 Oct '18 21:36
    @whodey said
    So does this mean I can self identify as another race if I want?
    What race do you identify as, and what makes you think you can't identify as any other?
  6. Zugzwang
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    21 Oct '18 22:581 edit
    @mchill said
    The Trump administration is attempting to strip transgender people of official recognition




    I wonder if "Caitlyn Jenner" will have to give back the Olympic gold medal HE won in 1976, now that he is now a she, or an it or whatever they call themselves now.
    The troll Mchill shows his usual stupidity.

    Caitlyn Jenner (then known as Bruce Jenner) was eligible to compete in the 1976 Olympic decathlon.
    Her gold medal might be taken away only if it could be proven that she violated
    the rules (any at that time) about using performance-enhancing drugs.

    Even if she's no longer eligible to participate in the decathlon, that cannot change history.
    A divorced woman who, in her youth, won the Miss America title, would no longer
    be eligible to participate in that contest, but that does not change what she did.
  7. Zugzwang
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    21 Oct '18 23:00
    @duchess64 said
    Donald Trump continues his crusade against transgender people.
    Does Caitlyn Jenner, who had supported him, now recognize her foolishness?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/21/trump-administration-define-transgender-out-of-existence-new-york-times

    "Trump administration trying to define transgender out of existence – report
    Gender would be defined at birth as ...[text shortened]... und the Obama interpretation of protecting
    transgender people against discrimination to be sound."
    What the US government's doing may directly affect one RHP member, Caissad4,
    who has come out as a transgender woman in the USA.
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    22 Oct '18 03:46
    @whodey said
    So does this mean I can self identify as another race if I want?
    You’re making a good point.
    Why do we categorize people by race?

    I’ve been calling myself, as a joke, a Culinair Cote d’Azurian.

    Now, I presume you meant your statement in the opposite direction; correct me if I’m wrong about that, but there is no reason that your religion or race need be on your
    birth certificate.
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    22 Oct '18 14:50
    @duchess64 said
    What the US government's doing may directly affect one RHP member, Caissad4,
    who has come out as a transgender woman in the USA.
    as it should...there is no such thing as a "transgender woman"!
  10. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    23 Oct '18 03:42
    @mott-the-hoople said
    as it should...there is no such thing as a "transgender woman"!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-south-yorkshire-45937939/meet-the-99-year-old-transgender-ww2-veteran

    Would you tell this 99 year-old?

    You wouldn't have the balls.
  11. SubscriberSuzianne
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    23 Oct '18 04:16
    @whodey said
    So does this mean I can self identify as another race if I want?
    Whodey, if you want, you can self-identify as a chimpanzee for all I care.
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    @wolfgang59 said
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-south-yorkshire-45937939/meet-the-99-year-old-transgender-ww2-veteran

    Would you tell this 99 year-old?

    You wouldn't have the balls.
    Why wouldn't I? you think that person can bully me into believing a falsehood?

    "It doesn’t help anyone at all except the anything goes crowd, the population of people who want to live without restraint, standards or absolutes — and who want the rest in society to tolerate their lack of reason by joining in the lie.
    That’s how we get schools that are bullied into opening girls’ bathrooms and locker rooms to boys; that’s how we get retail stores like Target forcing customers to use gender-neutral dressing rooms that stick little girls right next to stalls with grown men."

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/23/transgenderism-political-figment-not-biological-tr/
  13. Zugzwang
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    Why wouldn't I? you think that person can bully me into believing a falsehood?

    "It doesn’t help anyone at all except the anything goes crowd, the population of people who want to live without restraint, standards or absolutes — and who want the rest in society to tolerate their lack of reason by joining in the lie.
    That’s how we get schools that are bullied into ...[text shortened]... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/23/transgenderism-political-figment-not-biological-tr/
    Let Mott-the-Hoopie tell Kristin Beck that she's not a woman.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Beck

    "Beck served in the U.S. Navy for twenty years and is the first openly transgender former U.S. Navy SEAL."
  14. Subscribermoonbus
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    as it should...there is no such thing as a "transgender woman"!
    Aw, you just haven't met the right one yet.
  15. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    24 Oct '18 05:56
    @mott-the-hoople said
    Why wouldn't I? you think that person can bully me into believing a falsehood?
    Did you watch her?
    That 99 year-old woman - did you listen to her?

    She has too much dignity to bully you.
    What would you call her to her face? A he? An it? What?
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