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  1. Standard membervivify
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    Trump rightly gets criticized for his rhetoric that contributed to the mail bombs and the synagogue shooting. But he's not the problem, never was. The problem always has been with conservative culture.

    No matter how many times Obama criticized Fox News, and no matter how many times liberals mock that station for *actually* being fake news, liberals aren't sending bombs to Fox like conservatives have with CNN. The bombs aren't an isolated incident. Another conservative threatened to kill CNN employees:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/us/michigan-man-arrested-cnn-threats/index.html

    So why is it that despite how much liberals hate Fox, despite how much Obama criticized Fox, no one at that station lives in fear of being bombed or a victim of a mass shooting from a liberal?

    U.S. conservatism isn't merely a political view, it's a culture reinforced through white Christian establishments. This a culture that has embraced white supremacy (for example, conservatives who insist Jesus, their god, is white). Conservative culture insists that fulfilling their ideology is justified by any means; that's why conservatives adamantly defended taking immigrant children away from their families and locking them in cages; that's why conservatives defend torture of enemies (Trump even said "I'd do a lot worse than waterboarding" ). Republicans aren't bothered by their leader constantly lying to the public, who lies so much, they don't even dispute he's a liar. Conservatives praised Trump for pardoning Joe Arpaio, a man who proudly arrested Hispanics without due process, even ignoring a court order to stop doing so.

    Conservative culture embraces and festers hate. Trump may have embolden racists and conservative scumbags, but the hate has to be there in order to act on it. Both the Parkland and Las Vegas shooters were avid Trump fans.

    You get the point. U.S. conservatives cultivate hate, show disdain for education, science and universities, and the GOP is the proud home white supremacists.

    Trump isn't the problem. He's not intelligent enough to be the problem. Conservatives who resonate with Trump's idiocy, constant lying, promoting of violence and racism....they are the problem.
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    03 Nov '18 08:48
    @vivify said
    Trump rightly gets criticized for his rhetoric that contributed to the mail bombs and the synagogue shooting. But he's not the problem, never was. The problem always has been with conservative culture.

    No matter how many times Obama criticized Fox News, and no matter how many times liberals mock that station for *actually* being fake news, liberals aren't sending bombs to ...[text shortened]... onate with Trump's idiocy, constant lying, promoting of violence and racism....they are the problem.
    He was smart enough to win the election for President, even though losing the popular vote by 2 million or so votes. He knew where to get the votes, got to give him that.

    -VR
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    03 Nov '18 08:57
    @very-rusty said
    He was smart enough to win the election for President, even though losing the popular vote by 2 million or so votes. He knew where to get the votes, got to give him that.

    -VR
    Trump said racist things while being a buffoon. I don't think you can call that intelligence. A 24 hour news propaganda machine, a hostile foreign power and racists glad to finally be open about their racism had more to do with Trump winning than being "smart enough".
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    03 Nov '18 08:58
    @vivify said
    Trump rightly gets criticized for his rhetoric that contributed to the mail bombs and the synagogue shooting. But he's not the problem, never was. The problem always has been with conservative culture.

    No matter how many times Obama criticized Fox News, and no matter how many times liberals mock that station for *actually* being fake news, liberals aren't sending bombs to ...[text shortened]... onate with Trump's idiocy, constant lying, promoting of violence and racism....they are the problem.
    I can go along with most of this. You have some good points here. I would add however that Trump as President, has the biggest microphone in the world, and when he gives passive (and sometimes active) approval to racism and violence against his critics be becomes at least part of the problem.
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    03 Nov '18 09:191 edit
    @mchill said
    I can go along with most of this. You have some good points here. I would add however that Trump as President, has the biggest microphone in the world, and when he gives passive (and sometimes active) approval to racism and violence against his critics be becomes at least part of the problem.
    Say a loudmouth drunk walks into the offices of Microsoft, intending to be CEO. He makes sexist comments to the female staff, spouting out racist rhetoric. It's immediately clear this guys incredibly unqualified and too uneducated to lead Microsoft.

    But the staff actually start to enjoy the drunk's antics. They finally feel free enough to sexually harass the women and mock Jewish people. The drunk starts getting support from the higher ups who say this guy is Microsoft's future. Some of the other execs scoff, thinking everyone has lost their mind, and this is a joke that will blow over. The drunk somehow managers to get an interview. Then a follow up interview. He starts gaining support. The execs who initially made their objections to the drunk clear, start changing their tune once they see that supporting the drunk may be a good move to help ensure a future at Microsoft.

    There are votes by the board members, with the only other candidate for CEO being a competent but corrupt woman, disliked by many in the company. The drunk's background check comes in showing that he's even more corrupt, and there's even video of him exhibiting appalling behavior. The racists in the company don't care, and end up voting him in as CEO by a slim margin.

    The drunk, now having the biggest microphone in the company, frequently incites violence and racism, just like he has all along.

    Who's to blame? Is it the drunk, who obviously doesn't belong in that position, or is the drunk's supporters?

    I find it harder and harder to have any real reaction to Trump. He's just a moron being himself. But I'm getting more and more angry at his defenders who not only put him in power, but seem intent on keeping him there.
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    03 Nov '18 09:31
    @vivify said
    isn't the problem. He's not intelligent enough to be the problem. Conservatives who resonate with Trump's idiocy, constant lying, promoting of violence and racism....they are the problem.
    So if I hear you correctly, Trump is not the problem, he is merely the embodiment of the problem of a polarised divided America that has lost her way.

    Trump is the lump that after the biopsy confirms that America has cancer?
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    03 Nov '18 10:082 edits
    @vivify

    "You get the point. U.S. conservatives cultivate hate, show disdain for education, science and universities, and the GOP is the proud home white supremacists.

    Trump isn't the problem. He's not intelligent enough to be the problem. Conservatives who resonate with Trump's idiocy, constant lying, promoting of violence and racism....they are the problem."


    Right on the money. For decades, we've been able to rein the worst of this in. I fear now, with Trump as a catalyst, that things are getting out of control.
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    03 Nov '18 10:08
    @vivify said
    Trump said racist things while being a buffoon. I don't think you can call that intelligence. A 24 hour news propaganda machine, a hostile foreign power and racists glad to finally be open about their racism had more to do with Trump winning than being "smart enough".
    Keep playing the race card, you're doing more harm than good for the dim cause.

    They're all raciss, they're all dumb, they're all stoopid...

    Keep it up, vivify, keep it up. Can only assume you're a Trump double agent.
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    @very-rusty said
    He was smart enough to win the election for President, even though losing the popular vote by 2 million or so votes. He knew where to get the votes, got to give him that.

    -VR
    No one, and I mean no one, was more surprised that he won, than he, himself. At least, according to Michael Wolff.
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    @very-rusty said
    He was smart enough to win the election for President, even though losing the popular vote by 2 million or so votes. He knew where to get the votes, got to give him that.

    -VR
    No they don't.

    It's the same old attacks. The GOP President is:

    1. Stupid
    2. Racist
    3. Evil greedy white guy.

    They then conveniently ignore the issues on their own side of the political spectrum, like the Left wing Unabomber sending bombs, THAT ACUTALLY WORKED AND MURDERED PEOPLE, because he felt like these people were destroying the environment. Or how about Obama's buddy Bill Ayers that sent bombs to support Left wing policies? Or how about that bomber in New York Obama let out of jail even though he was unrepentant about murdering people for his Left wing goals.

    What is funny though, is that they tried to do the same to McCain. Yes, John McCain was once one of these racist, greedy, stupid white guys, until he turned against Trump. Then the media portrayed him as a statesman who should be revered once he died.

    I think these people are all either smoking reefer or already brain dead.
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    03 Nov '18 12:22
    @wajoma said
    Keep playing the race card, you're doing more harm than good for the dim cause.

    They're all raciss, they're all dumb, they're all stoopid...

    Keep it up, vivify, keep it up. Can only assume you're a Trump double agent.
    Out of the 60-plus million people who voted for Donald Trump, which one would you say is not stupid?
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    @kazetnagorra said
    Out of the 60-plus million people who voted for Donald Trump, which one would you say is not stupid?
    Pretty tedious having to explain the way of the world to you over and over. It's even right there in the post you replied to. They didn't vote for Trump they voted against Clinton, they voted against the terminally offended one trick race card playing Dims, they voted against the likes of suzi, vivify, sonhouse, and yes, they voted against you kaka.
  13. Standard membervivify
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    03 Nov '18 13:063 edits
    @wajoma said
    Keep playing the race card, you're doing more harm than good for the dim cause.

    They're all raciss, they're all dumb, they're all stoopid...

    Keep it up, vivify, keep it up. Can only assume you're a Trump double agent.
    By this statement, are you claiming that:

    A) Trump is not racist, and therefore it's wrong to call him that
    B) Racism wasn't a significant reason why people voted for Trump

    Is that what you're saying?
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    03 Nov '18 13:12
    @vivify
    Downvoted for again dragging "white, Christian" into it like a good little SJW racist Dawkinist.

    If this were a white Christian problem, I'd be out there posting pipe bombs to Geert Wilders and Jacob Rees-Mogg. I don't, and it isn't. It is purely a right-wing, USAlien problem. Refusing to look in the mirror and blaming it on Honkey and Religious Moron instead only makes it worse.
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    03 Nov '18 13:15
    @kmax87 said
    So if I hear you correctly, Trump is not the problem, he is merely the embodiment of the problem of a polarised divided America that has lost her way.

    Trump is the lump that after the biopsy confirms that America has cancer?
    The bull in the china shop is less to blame than the people who deliberately put it there.
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