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    03 Nov '18 13:24
    @vivify said
    Trump rightly gets criticized for his rhetoric that contributed to the mail bombs and the synagogue shooting. But he's not the problem, never was. The problem always has been with conservative culture.

    No matter how many times Obama criticized Fox News, and no matter how many times liberals mock that station for *actually* being fake news, liberals aren't sending bombs to ...[text shortened]... onate with Trump's idiocy, constant lying, promoting of violence and racism....they are the problem.
    you sum up the leftist agenda pretty well...division, support for non-Americans and racism...this is all you have...meanwhile the rest of us enjoy record employment, higher wages, fairer trade agreements...peace with hostile nations, the list goes on and on. You support leftist all because you want to kill babies and hit you buddy in the ass and be respected for it...
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    03 Nov '18 13:38
    @whodey said
    No they don't.

    It's the same old attacks. The GOP President is:

    1. Stupid
    2. Racist
    3. Evil greedy white guy.

    They then conveniently ignore the issues on their own side of the political spectrum, like the Left wing Unabomber sending bombs, THAT ACUTALLY WORKED AND MURDERED PEOPLE, because he felt like these people were destroying the environment. Or how about ...[text shortened]... e revered once he died.

    I think these people are all either smoking reefer or already brain dead.
    What about them? Is anyone concocting conspiracy theories claiming those bombings were "false flags"? Have Democrats ever tried to blame the bombings on the other side Republicans are? Have Democrats—

    it's no, the answer is a resounding no.

    Whenever conservatives commit atrocities, right-wingers do all they can downplay the criminal's conservative influences. Whodey posted a thread claiming the bombs were a hoax. Would he ever do that if a liberal was the suspect? Don't make me laugh.
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    @shallow-blue said
    @vivify
    Downvoted for again dragging "white, Christian" into it like a good little SJW racist Dawkinist.

    If this were a white Christian problem, I'd be out there posting pipe bombs to Geert Wilders and Jacob Rees-Mogg. I don't, and it isn't. It is purely a right-wing, USAlien problem. Refusing to look in the mirror and blaming it on Honkey and Religious Moron instead only makes it worse.
    White evangelicals overwhelmingly supported Trump despite his entire life being the exact opposite of everything they profess as values. The continue to ignore he cheated on his wife multiple times, has been a womanizer for decades, is on his third wife, and spent decades flaunting greed and wealth...just like Jesus.

    Despite Trump constantly doing and saying things antithetical to what Christians profess to believe, they keep giving him passes and "mulligans", and saying things like "thank God for Trump".

    White Christians are very much the core of Trump's supporters. The KKK is full of white Christians. This is a fact, not a "race card".
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    03 Nov '18 14:01
    @kmax87 said
    So if I hear you correctly, Trump is not the problem, he is merely the embodiment of the problem of a polarised divided America that has lost her way.

    Trump is the lump that after the biopsy confirms that America has cancer?
    There will be macrophages to greatly reduce that cancer come Tuesday.
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    03 Nov '18 14:04
    @wajoma said
    Pretty tedious having to explain the way of the world to you over and over. It's even right there in the post you replied to. They didn't vote for Trump they voted against Clinton, they voted against the terminally offended one trick race card playing Dims, they voted against the likes of suzi, vivify, sonhouse, and yes, they voted against you kaka.
    Can you name one or not?
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    @kazetnagorra said
    Can you name one or not?
    Mott The Hoople!
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    04 Nov '18 22:47
    @vivify said
    What about them? Is anyone concocting conspiracy theories claiming those bombings were "false flags"? Have Democrats ever tried to blame the bombings on the other side Republicans are? Have Democrats—

    it's no, the answer is a resounding no.

    Whenever conservatives commit atrocities, right-wingers do all they can downplay the criminal's conservative influences. Whode ...[text shortened]... ng the bombs were a hoax. Would he ever do that if a liberal was the suspect? Don't make me laugh.
    Words mean something, especially when the latest pipe bomber had a hit list exactly as his god Trump has said every time he has a rally. There were others on the list too that didn't get published, like Michael Moore. I know, the worse of the worse, but for me he tells the truth. Take a look at Sicko for instance.
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    04 Nov '18 23:311 edit
    @vivify said
    Trump rightly gets criticized for his rhetoric that contributed to the mail bombs and the synagogue shooting. But he's not the problem, never was. The problem always has been with conservative culture.

    No matter how many times Obama criticized Fox News, and no matter how many times liberals mock that station for *actually* being fake news, liberals aren't sending bombs to ...[text shortened]... onate with Trump's idiocy, constant lying, promoting of violence and racism....they are the problem.
    I really hope you guys work it out... I mean it's bleeding obvious to outsiders and yet you americans run this political show like it actually means something.

    It does mean something. It means the ones in control can give the rest of the world the finger while they go about doing whatever they want ..
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    05 Nov '18 08:58
    @vivify said
    White evangelicals overwhelmingly supported Trump despite his entire life being the exact opposite of everything they profess as values. The continue to ignore he cheated on his wife multiple times, has been a womanizer for decades, is on his third wife, and spent decades flaunting greed and wealth...just like Jesus.
    Then call it a Prosperity Gospel (i.e., anti-anti-Christian) problem. Or call it a Southern Fried Evangelical problem. Call it what it actually is. Blaming it on a much larger group than the guilty ones, on a group most of whom in the civilised world would be on your side if you only let them, is a Trumpian kind of rethoric. Don't stoop to his level.
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    05 Nov '18 14:33
    @vivify said
    Trump rightly gets criticized for his rhetoric that contributed to the mail bombs and the synagogue shooting. But he's not the problem, never was. The problem always has been with conservative culture.

    No matter how many times Obama criticized Fox News, and no matter how many times liberals mock that station for *actually* being fake news, liberals aren't sending bombs to ...[text shortened]... onate with Trump's idiocy, constant lying, promoting of violence and racism....they are the problem.
    how the hell do you not see the irony in saying something like "liberals aren't sending bombs like conservatives have"? How is that different from saying "socialists are communists", "blacks commit more crimes", "black lives matter are terrorists", "feminists are the same as feminazis" and other statements we rightly criticize the right for?

    how do you not see you are no different than they are ? that making hasty generalizations is intellectually bankrupt?

    Conservatives are not equivalent with trumpists just as black lives matter aren't equivalent with the blacks that wreck property and loot shops. Conservatives are not equivalent with racists just as socialists don't want the US to become a communist state.
    Conservatives are many in favor of reasonable gun control. They support medicare for all. They support ending wars and they support removing money from politics.


    I don't care that we are on the same side of the political spectrum. When you show ignorance i will call you on it.
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    @zahlanzi said
    how the hell do you not see the irony in saying something like "liberals aren't sending bombs like conservatives have"? How is that different from saying "socialists are communists", "blacks commit more crimes", "black lives matter are terrorists", "feminists are the same as feminazis" and other statements we rightly criticize the right for?

    how do you not see you are n ...[text shortened]... at we are on the same side of the political spectrum. When you show ignorance i will call you on it.
    You didn't read my entire post if that's what you got. My point is there's a culture that allows for this in the GOP. White supremacists are pretty much all conservatives. Same for the KKK. This isn't a generalization. It's a fact.

    Conservatives overwhelmingly voted for a man who encouraged violence at his rallies and offered to pay the legal fees. This man killed during the primaries, indicating that conservatives either overlook such violent behavior or approve of it.

    Racism and violence are either overlooked or accepted by conservatives, which leads to things like sending bombs, shooting abortion clinics, approving of torturing suspected terrorists, etc. That's the point.
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    05 Nov '18 16:01
    @vivify said
    You didn't read my entire post if that's what you got. My point is there's a culture that allows for this in the GOP. White supremacists are pretty much all conservatives. Same for the KKK. This isn't a generalization. It's a fact.

    Conservatives overwhelmingly voted for a man who encouraged violence at his rallies and offered to pay the legal fees. This man killed du ...[text shortened]... the primaries, indicating that conservatives either overlook such violent behavior or approve of it.
    "You didn't read my entire post if that's what you got."
    you can't bash conservatives with hasty generalizations in a gigantic wall of text but sneak in a sentence at some point that "maybe not all conservatives are like that"

    "White supremacists are pretty much all conservatives. Same for the KKK."
    Then call them white supremacists , not conservatives, just like you demand the right to call terrorists, terrorists and not muslims. Just like you demand the right to call

    "Conservatives overwhelmingly voted for a man who encouraged violence at his rallies and offered to pay the legal fees."
    Not just conservatives. Democrats voted for him too. All his voters had many reasons, different reasons. Leftists who stayed home effectively voted for him as well, why aren't you bashing them as well?

    "This man killed during the primaries"
    exaggerate much?

    if i tell you you are starting to sound increasingly like a left wing whodey, will it alarm you? will you dismiss it like me wanting to pick on you without cause? will you consider it good enough if i say you are not quite whodey enough? is that acceptable to you?
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    @zahlanzi said
    "You didn't read my entire post if that's what you got."
    you can't bash conservatives with hasty generalizations in a gigantic wall of text but sneak in a sentence at some point that "maybe not all conservatives are like that"
    Except I didn't do that. More proof you didn't read my post, since you referred to it as a giant wall of text, indicating you couldn't be bothered to read it, yet feel you can attack a post you didn't read

    "This man killed during the primaries"
    exaggerate much?"

    Nope. It's a fact Trump destroyed his opponents in votes during the primaries. To be so ignorant of that, yet attack me based on this ignorance, is complete foolishness.
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    @vivify said
    Except I didn't do that. More proof you didn't read my post, since you referred to it as a giant wall of text, indicating you couldn't be bothered to read it, yet feel you can attack a post you didn't read

    "This man killed during the primaries"
    exaggerate much?"

    Nope. It's a fact Trump destroyed his opponents in votes during the primaries. To be so ignorant of that, yet attack me based on this ignorance, is complete foolishness.
    "Except I didn't do that. "
    you did. words have meaning. that was the meaning of yours.

    "More proof you didn't read my post, since you referred to it as a giant wall of text"
    the statement meant to illustrate the numerous occasions you generalized your statements to conservatives instead of "trump supporters" except in the last statement. it was also meant to compare your post with hack journalism that makes the same hasty generalizations only to cover their asses in the last sentence as if that would excuse their irresponsible statements before that.

    "indicating you couldn't be bothered to read it, yet feel you can attack a post you didn't read "
    did read it.

    "This man killed during the primaries"
    thought you meant literally, since it was directly after the statement he encouraged violence. my mistake, i take back that comment.
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    @zahlanzi said
    "Except I didn't do that. "
    you did. words have meaning. that was the meaning of yours.

    "More proof you didn't read my post, since you referred to it as a giant wall of text"
    the statement meant to illustrate the numerous occasions you generalized your statements to conservatives instead of "trump supporters" except in the last statement. it was also meant to compare y ...[text shortened]... ce it was directly after the statement he encouraged violence. my mistake, i take back that comment.
    Let's just clear some things up. Here's what I didn't and am NOT saying or suggesting:

    I'm NOT saying all, most or even a slight majority of conservatives are violent or racist.

    What I AM saying:

    That conservative culture allows or even encourages racism and violence. For example: torture. Republicans have defended "enhanced interogation", a polite word for torture, ever since Bush with Gitmo. Fox News and Dick Cheney especially were vocal defenders of torturing suspected terrorists.

    Conservative rhetoric has only gotten worse, with conservative politicians using language like "bomb them back to the stone age." Only a Republican candidate could say "I'd do a lot worse than waterboarding" and dominate in primaries.

    My point is about the mindset that not only allows, but often encourages or even breeds violence, lies and racism. Too few Republicans criticize Trump for this. In fact, many like Lindsey Graham or Huckabee-Sanders claim he's never said anything racist. This type of denial from Reps helps breeds racism.

    Same for calling the mail bombs hoaxes or trying to blame them on the left, rather than acknowledging the bomber reacted to rhetoric of the president they constantly defend.

    My post is about conservative culture, not about labeling them as violent or racist. There are many conservatives who aren't those things but help breed this mindset by denying a problem exists in their culture, or giving these things a pass just to support their agenda.
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