Originally posted by @kmax87
This is Duchess's second post on the second page and she is into incendiary mode right off the bat to Divegeester. Extremely ignorant and misunderstanding he must be denounces our Duchess. Keeping track Shav, I detect a pattern.
Kmax87 prefers to ignore the context of the record of posts and common historical knowledge about this issue.
I (or even other writers) have pointed out *enough times earlier* that it's a MYTH that
the modern Israeli-Palestinian conflict must come from ANCIENT religious (or tribal)
hatred between Arabs and Jews, as Divegeester wrongly claimed.
This is common enough historical knowledge. Some other writers here know this fact.
So, to sum up, Divegeester made an extremely ignorant and misinformed comment, and
I accurately pointed out that he made an extremely ignorant and misinformed comment.
I suspect that some pro-Israeli trolls would be ready to present flowers to Divegeester,
if his self-esteem should need such a prop. Would Kmax87 like to do his service for him?
As I recall, Kmax87 (who was born in South Africa, a very close ally of Israel) has admitted
that he has grown up with a pro-Israeli bias. So, like most such Westerners, Kmax87
apparently believes that an ignorant Westerner (like Divegeester) spews nonsense
(which could be useful to Israel), then that ignorant Westerner must be treated gently,
if even criticized at all. I believe that extremely ignorant comments about the Arabs
should not be criticized any less than extremely ignorant comments about the Jews.
Let's compare two statements:
1) No (or almost no) Jews lived in Palestine during Biblical times.
2) No (or almost no) Arabs lived in Palestine BEFORE Jewish settlers arrived there in the late 19th century.
As far as I know, no Palestinian, however anti-Zionist, is ignorant enough to make the first statement.
If anyone did, then all Westerners would instantly condemn it as extremely anti-Semitic.
What Palestinians (and others) do, however, is dispute the Zionist claim that the Jews
who lived in Palestine in Biblical times must be the SAME PEOPLE as the Jews who
began arriving (mostly from Europe) in Palestine from the late 19th century onward.
In contrast, the second statement--an absurd falsehood--has been a staple of pro-Israeli propaganda.
In 1984, Joan Peters, an American with no scholarly credentials whatsoever, wrote a book
claiming that the Zionist slogan of Palestine being 'a land without people (Arabs) for a
people (Jews) without land) was about literally true. Joan Peters absurdly claimed that
Palestine was practically empty of people (Arabs) before Jewish settlers arrived 'to make
the desert bloom' (in Zionist legend). What was the response to her absurd lying book?
Joan Peters received general ecstatic praise from American Jews, including many famous
intellectuals (such as the popular historian Barbara Tuchman). Joan Peters won a
US Jewish National Book Award. In contrast, Israeli Jewish reviews tended to dismiss
her book as recycling old discredited Zionist propaganda, still useful to fool Americans.
The British reviews were scathing, denouncing Joan Peters (a non-academic) for
committing 'academic' fraud of the worst kind. 'A flimsy and worthless book.'
My point is that there's a major Western 'double standard' between criticizing Westerners
for extreme ignorance when their ignorance seems more useful to Israel or the Palestinians.