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  1. Behind the scenes
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    08 May '18 18:38
    Trump's proud tradition of no solutions of his own.

    Trump says Obamacare is a disaster but has no plan of his own to replace it with

    Trump says NAFTA is a disaster but has no North American trade plan of his own

    Trump says he's going to build a great big beautiful wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it, but has no plan of his own to make this happen

    Now Trump says the Iran deal is a disaster, but has no plan of his own to replace it with.

    Does anyone see a pattern here?? 😲
  2. Zugzwang
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    08 May '18 18:531 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Trump's proud tradition of no solutions of his own.

    Trump says Obamacare is a disaster but has no plan of his own to replace it with

    Trump says NAFTA is a disaster but has no North American trade plan of his own

    Trump says he's going to build a great big beautiful wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it, but has no plan of his own to make this happe ...[text shortened]... isaster, but has no plan of his own to replace it with.

    Does anyone see a pattern here?? 😲
    The sycophantic US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, said President Trump 'absolutely made the right decision'.
    That further undermines whatever shreds of credibility that she had left at the UN.
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    08 May '18 19:01
    We're all gonna die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😲
  4. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    08 May '18 20:07
    And a few insiders probably had their money in oil futures.
    They'll be the only winners.
  5. Subscribermoonbus
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    08 May '18 20:28
    The pattern is as plain as the nose on his face: resentment that things are not as he wants them to be, find someone to blame for it, punish someone for it, repeat. Story of Trump’s life.
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    08 May '18 21:17
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Trump's proud tradition of no solutions of his own.

    Trump says Obamacare is a disaster but has no plan of his own to replace it with

    Trump says NAFTA is a disaster but has no North American trade plan of his own

    Trump says he's going to build a great big beautiful wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it, but has no plan of his own to make this happe ...[text shortened]... isaster, but has no plan of his own to replace it with.

    Does anyone see a pattern here?? 😲
    And negotiations on the Korean peninsula coming at us.

    Can anyone ever take this clown seriously ??

    Is this decision really a result of his obsession with Obama ?
  7. Subscribermoonbus
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    08 May '18 21:22
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    And negotiations on the Korean peninsula coming at us.

    Can anyone ever take this clown seriously ??

    Is this decision really a result of his obsession with Obama ?
    Trump was once roasted by Obama in public. Maybe he never got over it.
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    08 May '18 21:25
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    And negotiations on the Korean peninsula coming at us.

    Can anyone ever take this clown seriously ??

    Is this decision really a result of his obsession with Obama ?
    Yes. The fact that Obama supported the deal is literally the only reason Trump opposes it.

    And when Trump does need to pull out (Bechard), he doesn't...
  9. Zugzwang
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    08 May '18 23:19
    Led by Netanyahu, Israel has seemed eager (for a long time) for a pretext to attack Iran.
    While it seems unlikely that President Trump would order the US military to invade Iran on
    land and impose a puppet regime (another Shah?) in Tehran, will he decide 'to go all the way'
    and embark upon a sustained campaign of ruthless air strikes aiming to destroy Iran's
    modern industrial capacity and leave it in a state of ruin similar to devastated Syria today?

    A US decision for war on Iran presumably would delight Israel (and most of Israel's supporters in the USA).
    Most of the rest of the world would have to decide how to respond to an aggressive rogue
    superpower (USA) led by a bellicose pathological liar with evidently no moral scruples.
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    08 May '18 23:37
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Led by Netanyahu, Israel has seemed eager (for a long time) for a pretext to attack Iran.
    While it seems unlikely that President Trump would order the US military to invade Iran on
    land and impose a puppet regime (another Shah?) in Tehran, will he decide 'to go all the way'
    and embark upon a sustained campaign of ruthless air strikes aiming to destroy ...[text shortened]... rogue
    superpower (USA) led by a bellicose pathological liar with evidently no moral scruples.
    Would you say that iran vowing to destroy Israel is pretext enough?
  11. Zugzwang
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    08 May '18 23:521 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Would you say that iran vowing to destroy Israel is pretext enough?
    Can the troll Mott-the-Hoopie QUOTE (not from his favorite right-wing propaganda sources)
    any official statement by Iran's government declaring that Iran aims to make an unprovoked
    nuclear attack to destroy Israel?

    Even if some cleric or politician in Iran once told a crowd at a rally that Iran should destroy
    the evil Zionists (Israel) and liberate the Palestinians (most of whom are not Shia Muslims),
    that remark would be far from constituting Iran's official policy.

    On the other hand, according to the historian Edgar O'Ballance, during the 1973 Arab-Israeli War,
    Israel came rather close to launching nuclear first strikes against Egypt and Syria.

    After six years of hubris since Israel's victory (achieved by a surprise attack) in the Six Day War,
    Israeli Jews regarded the IDF as invincible and the Arabs as very inferior in every way.
    In addition to being too primitive to use modern weapons effectively, Arab soldiers were
    supposed to be cowards who would flee as soon as any superior Israeli soldier appeared.
    During the first days of the 1973 war, the Israeli public was shocked to discover (insofar
    as IDF censorship would allow) scenes of more than a few Israeli soldiers panicking,
    abandoning their positions or weapons, and running away. Moshe Dayan himself panicked.
    Reportedly, he told Prime Minister Golda Meir, "This is the end of the Third Temple".
    He asked her for permission (which she gave) to prepare Israel's nuclear arsenal for immediate use.
    If the retreating IDF could not stabilize the fronts within 48 hours, then Israel (reportedly)
    would have seriously considered nuking Cairo, Damascus, and other Arab cities, perhaps
    killing millions of the people. Would the USA have made any objection?
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    09 May '18 09:212 edits
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Would you say that iran vowing to destroy Israel is pretext enough?
    No. Talk is just sabre rattling. It takes more than that to justify a pre-emptive strike. Nikita Khrushchev pounding on the table with his shoe at the UN, screaming "We will burry you!" was also not sufficient reason for a pre-emptive strike against the USSR.
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    09 May '18 10:10
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Would you say that iran vowing to destroy Israel is pretext enough?
    Would you say Israel and America’s rhetoric towards Iran deserves anything other than complete ridicule?

    Would you say that the US’s interference in Iran since the 50’s deserves anything other than complete paranoia on Iran’s part?

    You seem to focus a lot on one side’s rhetoric.
    Look at deeds actually done, and I’m sure you’ll be surprised to discover than Iran’s behaviour is a reaction to what the US and Israel have done.
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    09 May '18 14:06
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    ...Would you say that the US’s interference in Iran since the 50’s deserves anything other than complete paranoia on Iran’s part?

    Such as propping up Reza Pahlavi, a vicious torture bastard who ran a state-terror government to make even So. American dictators look semi-humane. And then offering him sanctuary after his sorely abused people rose up and deposed him.[/b]

    Look at deeds actually done, and I’m sure you’ll be surprised to discover than Iran’s behaviour is a reaction to what the US and Israel have done.

    Such as invading Iran's two contiguous neighbours to the east and west and imposing puppet governments there. Imagine how the USA would feel if Iran invaded Mexico and Canada and imposed Sharia Law there. I wonder, would Americans view that as a threat?
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    09 May '18 15:35
    Obama roasts Trump:

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