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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-us-ambassador-to-eu-from-appearing-at-house-impeachment-deposition

    Trump tells the Dims no interviews until their Star Chamber votes for impeachment.

    Hilarious. What will the cowards do? They won't even hold and open inquiry.
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    I see FOX Propaganda taught you a new phrase.
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    18 Oct '19 16:02
    @whodey said
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-us-ambassador-to-eu-from-appearing-at-house-impeachment-deposition

    Trump tells the Dims no interviews until their Star Chamber votes for impeachment.

    Hilarious. What will the cowards do? They won't even hold and open inquiry.
    You should try to read Fox News on a more regular basis; the Democrats ignored Trump and Sondland testified yesterday.

    As pointed out in the Ilya Somin article I started a thread about, an impeachment inquiry is most comparable to a grand jury investigation as that is the body that decides if and what charges are presented at trial. Grand jury testimony is secret of course, so the House committees tasked with the impeachment inquiry are simply following the general course of conduct in such investigations. A major reason for having the depositions not be made public is so prior testimony is not known to future witnesses which might "taint" the latter's testimony. It seems highly likely that all the depositions will be made public after they are completed and before any votes on articles of impeachment in the Judiciary Committee.

    I think you know the whole "Star Chamber" thing is utter and absolute nonsense no matter how many times it gets parroted in the right wing blogosphere.
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    Another loss to the Dems coming.
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    @no1marauder said
    You should try to read Fox News on a more regular basis; the Democrats ignored Trump and Sondland testified yesterday.

    As pointed out in the Ilya Somin article I started a thread about, an impeachment inquiry is most comparable to a grand jury investigation as that is the body that decides if and what charges are presented at trial. Grand jury testimony is secret of co ...[text shortened]... utter and absolute nonsense no matter how many times it gets parroted in the right wing blogosphere.
    Well considering these clowns have been talking impeachment since the day he was elected, I feel like none of them have any credibility with what the truth actually is.
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    @anderssen said
    Another loss to the Dems coming.
    "Any day now."
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    @whodey said
    Well considering these clowns have been talking impeachment since the day he was elected, I feel like none of them have any credibility with what the truth actually is.
    And you actually say this with a straight face while supporting Donald Trump, one of the biggest liars on the planet.
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    @whodey said
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-us-ambassador-to-eu-from-appearing-at-house-impeachment-deposition

    Trump tells the Dims no interviews until their Star Chamber votes for impeachment.

    Hilarious. What will the cowards do? They won't even hold and open inquiry.
    Democrats should lure Trump over using a string attached to a bucket of KFC.
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    @whodey said
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-us-ambassador-to-eu-from-appearing-at-house-impeachment-deposition

    Trump tells the Dims no interviews until their Star Chamber votes for impeachment.

    Hilarious. What will the cowards do? They won't even hold and open inquiry.
    🐂💩
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    @soothfast said
    Democrats should lure Trump over using a string attached to a bucket of KFC.
    That works on Obama ...
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    It already worked on you. Will you pick up arms for Trump if he is impeached and calls out the military to arrest the house and senate?
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    Here's some of what we have learned since the impeachment inquiry started:

    " According to a source present for her deposition, Hill described a meeting in her White House office with Gordon Sondland, whose murky role in Ukraine had alarmed her since an earlier meeting they’d attended in May. Now she asked Sondlond directly: Why was the American Ambassador to Brussels inserting himself in the affairs of a country that fell outside of his diplomatic portfolio and wasn’t even a member of the E.U.? “She challenged him on who gave him her portfolio, and he said the President,” the source told me. “It was news to her, and it was news to Bolton.”[Bolton was National Security Advisor at the time before resigning about the same time as the Ukraine story broke in early September - no1]

    Trump himself, in other words, was putting together a rogue foreign-policy team, run by Giuliani, the President’s private attorney, that would go outside normal N.S.C. and State Department channels to pressure Ukraine. The effort would eventually result in Trump abruptly firing Yovanovitch, the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, at Giuliani’s behest, and withholding a White House meeting from Volodymyr Zelensky, the new Ukrainian President, until he agreed to investigate unsubstantiated allegations involving Biden’s son, and also discredited conspiracy theories involving Ukraine working against Trump in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election. At the same time, Trump was refusing to release hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to Ukraine, although it had been legally authorized by Congress.

    The basic outlines of the plot have been known since the start of the impeachment inquiry, but the testimony by Hill and others this week both confirms key details and adds important information that shows how much the President was directly implicated. Trump ordered Sondland, a million-dollar contributor to his Inauguration; Kurt Volker, his Ukraine special envoy; and Energy Secretary Rick Perry to take control of Ukraine policy. (Kent, the State diplomat who was, like Hill, cut out of the loop, said that they called themselves “the three amigos.&rdquo😉 Trump personally ordered Yovanovitch’s firing. Trump personally ordered the withholding of military aid. The scandal, as this week showed, is about a lot more than saying “do us a favor though” in a phone call."

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/forget-trumps-meltdownfollow-the-testimony

    All the "whataboutisms" and distractions about a "quid pro quo" (not necessary for a campaign finance violation though plenty of circumstantial evidence exists for a QPQ regarding a bribery charge - though again proof beyond a reasonable doubt of a criminal charge is unnecessary for impeachment and removal) don't change the overriding fact; that the President of the United States was engaged in a criminal conspiracy to use US foreign policy and allocated public funds as leverage to force a foreign nation to aid his re-election campaign.
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    @whodey said
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-us-ambassador-to-eu-from-appearing-at-house-impeachment-deposition

    Trump tells the Dims no interviews until their Star Chamber votes for impeachment.

    Hilarious. What will the cowards do? They won't even hold and open inquiry.
    Here's what happened in response to Trump's "no interviews" diktat:

    “We are in a phase now which is very distinctive and different, a phase in which people with testimony to give are actually confronting the Administration with their intention to give it,” Bauer told me. “And he can’t stop them. He can fire them, but he can’t stop them. . . . They are not prepared to risk anything themselves in the defense of Donald Trump.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/forget-trumps-meltdownfollow-the-testimony
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