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  1. Standard membervivify
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    23 Dec '17 20:25
    Instead of focusing on the fact that Trump has threatened UN members, the conservatives hijacked the thread to go into YET ANOTHER debate about Israel. Anything to distract from how Trump is openly bullying nations who don't agree with him.

    Forget about the Israel-Palestinian debate for just one thread. Read the following:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42464311

    Ahead of the UN General Assembly vote criticising the Trump administration's decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the American embassy there, Nikki Haley sent a terse letter to dozens of countries.

    In it she said that "the president and the United States take this vote personally" and that she had been requested by Mr Trump to "report back on those countries who voted against us".

    President Trump, pleased with his assertive ambassador, added that the US would cut funding to any country that supported the General Assembly resolution.
  2. Standard membervivify
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    23 Dec '17 20:27
    Trump "added that the US would cut funding to any country that supported the General Assembly resolution."

    In other words, Trump is going to bully any nation who doesn't agree with, support or vote for his policies. Way to make America great.
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    23 Dec '17 20:30
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Trump "added that the US would cut funding to any country that supported the General Assembly resolution."

    In other words, Trump is going to bully any nation who doesn't agree with, support or vote for his policies. Way to make America great.
    The rest of the world could respond with an economic embargo of the USA.
    Would the USA be able to thrive longer without trading with the rest of the world or
    the rest of the world without trading with the USA?
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    23 Dec '17 20:44
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The rest of the world could respond with an economic embargo of the USA.
    Would the USA be able to thrive longer without trading with the rest of the world or
    the rest of the world without trading with the USA?
    Interesting question. When Duchess decides to temporarily drop her crusade against the white man, she comes up with some pretty interesting ideas.
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    23 Dec '17 22:57
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The rest of the world could respond with an economic embargo of the USA.
    Would the USA be able to thrive longer without trading with the rest of the world or
    the rest of the world without trading with the USA?
    You could just look at NK...trump has put a stop to their extortion of the US and they are starving. Just recently a NK soldier seeking medical was found to be full of parasites.
    Or you could ask Israel, almost the entire world is against them
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    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The rest of the world could respond with an economic embargo of the USA.
    Would the USA be able to thrive longer without trading with the rest of the world or
    the rest of the world without trading with the USA?
    Good luck on that one. Watch the world economy crumble.
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    24 Dec '17 00:50
    I admit I don't know procedural protocol at UN...but...how can Palestine bring up a resolution against anyone?
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    It would be difficult for the un to declare sanctions against the US seeing as the US could just veto it.
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    24 Dec '17 01:09
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Trump "added that the US would cut funding to any country that supported the General Assembly resolution."

    In other words, Trump is going to bully any nation who doesn't agree with, support or vote for his policies. Way to make America great.
    The problem with your thought process is you don't see any problem with the US funding other countries.
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    24 Dec '17 01:521 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    The problem with your thought process is you don't see any problem with the US funding other countries.
    US foreign aid programs are designed to protect and advance US interests. They create bargaining chips we can use just as Trump is doing. It’s just that Trump is an overt hair trigger bully about it, simultaneously playing to his base.

    You may very well criticize foreign aid decisions and effectiveness, but carefully designed and managed foreign aid justifies and facilitates involvement in the workings of other countries. It is one of the tools that can be used prior to or instead of blockades, sanctions or military escalation.
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    24 Dec '17 02:14
    Originally posted by @js357
    US foreign aid programs are designed to protect and advance US interests. They create bargaining chips we can use just as Trump is doing. It’s just that Trump is an overt hair trigger bully about it, simultaneously playing to his base.

    You may very well criticize foreign aid decisions and effectiveness, but carefully designed and managed foreign aid justif ...[text shortened]... f the tools that can be used prior to or instead of blockades, sanctions or military escalation.
    I agree that was the way business was conducted prior. I agree with Trump in not paying a ransom for peace. I believe you have not yet correctly identified the bully.
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    24 Dec '17 02:42
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    I agree that was the way business was conducted prior. I agree with Trump in not paying a ransom for peace. I believe you have not yet correctly identified the bully.
    Please expand on “ransom” and your choice of bully. I appreciate your restraining from the kind of insult-based diatribe that is so common here.
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    24 Dec '17 03:12
    Originally posted by @js357
    US foreign aid programs are designed to protect and advance US interests. They create bargaining chips we can use just as Trump is doing. It’s just that Trump is an overt hair trigger bully about it, simultaneously playing to his base.

    You may very well criticize foreign aid decisions and effectiveness, but carefully designed and managed foreign aid justif ...[text shortened]... f the tools that can be used prior to or instead of blockades, sanctions or military escalation.
    If the people recieving the funds do not advance our interest why continue funding them?
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    24 Dec '17 03:432 edits
    Originally posted by @eladar
    If the people recieving the funds do not advance our interest why continue funding them?
    First of all, Trump is one man. His wishes are not "our" interests. There are many citizens, whether you agree with them or not, who vehemently oppose Trump's decision on Israel. Bending to Trump's will doesn't advance "our" interests, especially when more people voted against him in the election than for him.

    Secondly, Trump's threatening to cut off aid: money sent to countries to help a nation's citizens, people who may be impoverished, homeless, sick or otherwise afflicted. THAT'S what Trump is threatening to cut off just to appeal to his religious base.

    Cutting off much needed aid just because nations don't vote on a Trump's personal agenda is cruel, and it's bullying.
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    24 Dec '17 03:59
    Originally posted by @vivify
    First of all, Trump is one man. His wishes are not "our" interests. There are many citizens, whether you agree with them or not, who vehemently oppose Trump's decision on Israel. Bending to Trump's will doesn't advance "our" interests, especially when more people voted against him in the election than for him.

    Secondly, Trump's threatening to cut off a ...[text shortened]... ed aid just because nations don't vote on a Trump's personal agenda is cruel, and it's bullying.
    He was elected President. Foreign Policy falls under Trump's job description.
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