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    17 Aug '17 20:551 edit
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/donald-trump-support-base-pennsylvania-voters

    'Trump's delivering exactly what they wanted: white male supremacy'
    --Tom McCarthy

    "“I think his core base are the true deplorables,” [Ginny] Atwell, 72, said of Trump.
    “The white supremacists. He’s delivering exactly what they wanted. White male supremacy.”"

    "Harrington, the progressive activist, said she’d heard that kind of line from other Trump supporters.
    “One person said, ‘I’m really religious and that’s why I voted for Trump’,”
    said Harrington. “Which doesn’t make any sense at all, because he’s
    like, the exact opposite of any Christian thing you could ever think of.”"

    Many white Americans still believe deeply in and fanatically support President Trump.
    They don't even pretend to be disturbed by his sympathy with white nationalists.
    Donald Trump's base of hardcore supporters remains firm.

    I believe that it's wishful thinking for 'liberals' to hope that most of these white
    Americans will change their opinions soon, if ever, about Donald Trump.
    The reality is that many white Americans want a white supremacist America,
    even though few of them are honest (or foolish) enough to admit it openly.
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    17 Aug '17 21:26
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/donald-trump-support-base-pennsylvania-voters

    'Trump's delivering exactly what they wanted: white male supremacy'
    --Tom McCarthy

    "“I think his core base are the true deplorables,” [Ginny] Atwell, 72, said of Trump.
    “The white supremacists. He’s delivering exactly what they wanted. White male suprem ...[text shortened]... supremacist America,
    even though few of them are honest (or foolish) enough to admit it openly.
    "According to the latest polling data from Gallup, 53 percent of Americans now disapprove the job Trump is doing in the White House." This is a pitiful "majority" of Americans who disapprove of Trump. This statistic is far more troubling than Trump. Unfortunately the U.S. has far too much economic and military power. It might be wise for the rest of the world to start to place sanctions on the U.S. before we blow up the world economically, ecologically and through a thermo nuclear WWIII. I have very little hope for the country. There are just too many ignorant, racist, misogynist, homophobic, Islamophobic, antisemitic people in the U.S. I'm sure I've left out some group a large minority of the people in the U.S. hate.
    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/17/poll-majority-of-americans-disapprove-of-president-trump/22042115/
  3. Zugzwang
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    17 Aug '17 21:44
    Originally posted by @phranny
    "According to the latest polling data from Gallup, 53 percent of Americans now disapprove the job Trump is doing in the White House." This is a pitiful "majority" of Americans who disapprove of Trump. This statistic is far more troubling than Trump. Unfortunately the U.S. has far too much economic and military power. It might be wise for the rest of the ...[text shortened]... l.com/article/news/2017/04/17/poll-majority-of-americans-disapprove-of-president-trump/22042115/
    I noticed that some of President Trump's supporters might approve of him launching a
    nuclear first strike at the DPRK if the DPRK's leader insulted the thin-skinned bully Trump
    as long as that could be done without the DPRK being able to retaliate against the USA.
    A more mature US President should not be as easily provoked by the DPRK's rhetoric.

    I have long believed that a more powerful USA would be more dangerous for most of the rest of the world.
    A balance of power is urgently needed to check American imperialist 'triumphalism'.
    That's why I have tended to hope that the USA fails in its military adventures abroad.
    If the US government and American people believe that the USA's invasion of Iraq, for instance,
    was a great success, then the USA would become more eager to invade more countries.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-hren/boycott-america_b_14525198.html

    "Boycott America"
    --Stephen Hren

    "It’s time to boycott America. It’s time for everyone to boycott America, everywhere.
    We need everyone’s help to get us through this dark and troubling time. America runs on money.
    Those now in power care only about money. It’s time to take away the money.
    It’s literally the only way they will pay attention to us. Facts are a joke. Science is a conspiracy.
    Rights are for straight white males only. Our voices of protest are just annoying bugs in their ears.
    Only money works."

    "Avoid contributing to the economies of areas that fueled Trump’s rise. Don’t visit or go on vacation there.
    Money creates jobs. Let me repeat: only money works. They do not care about your voting rights,
    the sanctity of your bodies, your freedom of expression or religion. They only care about money.
    We can be effective. Economics works on the margins: 2% growth is seen as good while
    2% contraction is seen as awful. That’s only four percent. I live in North Carolina, and the
    economic boycott against our discriminatory bathroom law helped replace our Replublican
    governor with a Democratic one. Every little bit helps. The last thing we want is for those
    who voted for Trump to be rewarded for their collective assault upon us."
  4. Zugzwang
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    18 Aug '17 01:382 edits
    https://inequality.org/research/black-wealth-exists/

    "Black Wealth in America Hardly Exists"
    --Antonio Moore

    "African Americans today own little if any of America’s land, produce little if any of the
    country’s resources, and possess negligible amounts of this nation’s immense wealth.
    Yet African Americans still project an aspiration based on a blind faith in the American Dream."

    "In fact, if you deduct the family car and other depreciating assets from net worth, half of
    all black American households hold less than $1,700 in wealth. The net worth of the
    median white family remains near $100,000, using the same method of accounting.
    Yet African Americans dream on. Even the white poor have more money than most black families."

    "We now live in a time when the five largest white landowners in America own more agricultural
    land than all of black America, with all white families together owning 98 percent of the land.
    Our top 10 percent of white households own nearly everything, as the think tank Demos reports,
    with the next tier of white households holding most of the remaining wealth. In fact, the $2.4 trillion
    held by the Forbes 400 amounts to more than the combined wealth of all 41 million black Americans."

    These facts will not stop many white men here from believing that they are the most oppressed people in the USA today.

    One thing that people in minority communities can do is to spend or invest their money there.
    Instead of supporting a white-led corporation based elsewhere, they can attempt to spend
    their money at minority-owned local businesses, which, in turn, can offer jobs to that community.
    In order to do this, however, people in minority communities have to resist the seductive
    appeal of corporate America's massive advertising campaigns.

    A while ago, I wrote that there was an Asian American activist campaign to boycott the
    United Way (a huge American charity endorsed by white Americans here) because it, at
    least at that time, distributed little or money to local charities serving Asian American communities.
    The activists aimed to educate Asian Americans that if they chose to give to the United Way,
    their money would be going to places other than Asian American communities. Of course,
    there are worthy causes outside Asian American communities, but Asian Americans should
    consider whether they want their money to go there when very few non-Asian Americans
    are willing to contribute anything to charities serving Asian American communities.
    These charities depend almost exclusively upon Asian American funding to survive.
    Why should Asian Americans prefer to support better-funded 'white' charities instead?

    My comments encountered abuse from some extremely arrogant ignorant racist 'liberal' white
    Americans here (some of the people who vehemently object to any criticism of White Feminism).
    These white Americans, who know nothing about Asian American communities, denied
    that United Way could have done that, and even if it was doing that, they apparently denied
    there was anything wrong with it. These white Americans seemed to insinuate that it
    would be 'racist' for Asian Americans to withhold their money from the United Way even
    if it was giving their money only to some charities favored by white people.
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    18 Aug '17 02:37
    Originally posted by @duchess64

    The reality is that many white Americans want a white supremacist America,
    even though few of them are honest (or foolish) enough to admit it openly.
    If they don't admit it how do you know it. The answer is of course, you don't.

    What you have expressed here is an opinion or a dream feeling. It's not an argument, it's not really much of anything at all.
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    18 Aug '17 02:48
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    If they don't admit it how do you know it. The answer is of course, you don't.

    What you have expressed here is an opinion or a dream feeling. It's not an argument, it's not really much of anything at all.
    'Actions speak louder than words.'
    --proverb

    Always eager to accept denials of racism or sexism at face value, does Wajoma
    believe that rape cannot have happened unless the rapist explicitly admits it?
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    18 Aug '17 02:57
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    'Actions speak louder than words.'
    --proverb

    Always eager to accept denials of racism or sexism at face value, does Wajoma
    believe that rape cannot have happened unless the rapist explicitly admits it?
    Rape is a physical fact which unfortunately exists in reality.

    Do you see the difference between physical fact and your dream feelings?
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    18 Aug '17 03:27
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    Rape is a physical fact which unfortunately exists in reality.

    Do you see the difference between physical fact and your dream feelings?
    Duchy needs to read a Bernie Sanders book on fantasizing about being raped.
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    18 Aug '17 04:26
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Duchy needs to read a Bernie Sanders book on fantasizing about being raped.
    What in the hell is wrong with you??
  10. SubscriberWajoma
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    18 Aug '17 05:17
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    What in the hell is wrong with you??
    It was metaphorical, way over your head suze Nice one whodey.
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    18 Aug '17 06:47
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    If they don't admit it how do you know it. The answer is of course, you don't.

    What you have expressed here is an opinion or a dream feeling. It's not an argument, it's not really much of anything at all.
    Actually, a recent Gallup poll showed that almost half of Trump voters sympathize with neo-Nazis and white supremacists.
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    18 Aug '17 07:12
    Originally posted by @phranny
    "According to the latest polling data from Gallup, 53 percent of Americans now disapprove the job Trump is doing in the White House." This is a pitiful "majority" of Americans who disapprove of Trump. This statistic is far more troubling than Trump.
    I agree.
    Trump is comedy gold, but having 40+% of the US electorate thinking he's doing a good job is frightening.
    What the hell's wrong over there?
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    18 Aug '17 08:271 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Actually, a recent Gallup poll showed that almost half of Trump voters sympathize with neo-Nazis and white supremacists.
    duchess is talking about the ones that didn't admit.

    She's talking about the ones where she read their minds, and even when reading their inner thoughts and those thoughts said not racist she read through those thoughts all the way deeper and deeper into the thoughts people didn't even know they had, and there duchess found them to be racists.

    Now it's not clear if duchess does mass mind readings or she reads individual minds but quickly moves from one to the other. Either way we're all really impressed by duchesses mind reading abilities.

    Edit: Where's a link to the poll so we can decipher the truth.
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    18 Aug '17 08:33
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    duchess is talking about the ones that didn't admit.

    She's talking about the ones where she read their minds, and even when reading their inner thoughts and those thoughts said not racist she read through those thoughts all the way deeper and deeper into the thoughts people didn't even know they had, and there duchess found them to be racists.

    Now it ...[text shortened]... om one to the other. Either way we're all really impressed by duchesses mind reading abilities.
    To be clear, most of these people sympathizing with neo-Nazis or white supremacists do not describe themselves as "racist" even though they very obviously are. Most people realize that racism is wrong, but instead of denouncing racist beliefs they just relabel their racist beliefs.
  15. SubscriberWajoma
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    18 Aug '17 08:34
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    To be clear, most of these people sympathizing with neo-Nazis or white supremacists do not describe themselves as "racist" even though they very obviously are. Most people realize that racism is wrong, but instead of denouncing racist beliefs they just relabel their racist beliefs.
    Another mind reader. Hoorah.
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