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  1. Behind the scenes
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    06 Jun '18 07:452 edits
    Special master Barbara Jones, in a report to U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood, said her review of thousands of items included in eight boxes, iPhones and an iPad has identified only .054 percent — a tiny fraction of 1 percent — as privileged based on claims from Cohen, Trump and the Trump Organization. Cohen, who paid $130,000 to porn actress Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about an alleged Trump affair, is being probed for fraud-related offenses in his personal business and also received six-figure payments from several companies with government business after Trump’s election. President Trump's desperate attempts at taking refuge behind attorney client privilege have been a complete failure.

    Meanwhile over in the world of Paul Manafort -

    Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's ham handed attempt at witness tampering appears to have been exposed almost as soon as he tried it. According to a June 4 court filing, these inappropriate calls, texts and WhatsApp messages amount to “witness tampering.” Manafort apparently wanted these witnesses to testify that their lobbying campaign focused only on securing stronger relations between Ukraine and Europe, and not with the United States. That may be encouraging perjury or false testimony, one more violation to Manafort’s long and growing list of crimes from bank fraud to money laundering. This "less than" slick move by Mr. Manafort makes it likely he'll be spending lots of time in jail while his journey through the judicial system continues, while there, he'll no doubt be re assessing his decision to stay loyal to the Trumpster as he faces the very real possibility of dying in prison.

    Meanwhile, on the pardon front-

    Mueller and his prosecutors concluded months ago that Trump could pardon Manafort—along with former national security adviser Mike Flynn, another subject of the F.B.I. investigation—for any crimes uncovered in the Justice Department probe. But in partnering with Schneiderman, Mueller potentially took this option off the table, as the president’s power to pardon only applies to federal crimes. In other words, if Schneiderman’s office brought charges against Manafort at the state level, a pardon from Trump would be useless.



    Is anyone here besides me getting the idea that Robert Mueller is winning, despite Trump's wailing and gnashing of teeth??




    http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-trump-russia-pardon-power-2017-10

    https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/trump-special-master-cohen-1.18969881

    https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/fmr-u-s-atty-manafort-likely-going-to-jail-over-witness-tampering-charge-1248925251710
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    06 Jun '18 10:11
    Any day now......................
  3. Standard membervivify
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    06 Jun '18 10:29
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Any day now......................
    Pretend Trump was a black Democrat. Then post again.
  4. SubscriberWOLFE63
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    06 Jun '18 10:42
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Special master Barbara Jones, in a report to U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood, said her review of thousands of items included in eight boxes, iPhones and an iPad has identified only .054 percent — a tiny fraction of 1 percent — as privileged based on claims from Cohen, Trump and the Trump Organization. Cohen, who paid $130,000 to porn actress Stormy Daniels to ...[text shortened]... use/watch/fmr-u-s-atty-manafort-likely-going-to-jail-over-witness-tampering-charge-1248925251710
    Mueller is getting to the truth.

    And to Trump, truth is like sunlight on a Vampire.

    Expect even more rabid desperation as the clouds part.
  5. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    06 Jun '18 22:02
    17 million spent. A dozen or so left wing Clinton supporting attorneys. 2 years later. Aaaannd... nothing but some Russians laughably and impotently indicted, a couple of people that got tricked into giving contradictory testimony in interviews, and some lawyer that has a money problem completely unrelated to the "Russian collusion" probe.

    But it's not over! Still working on it. Trump's guilty for sure, we'll find something any day now.
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    07 Jun '18 00:14
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    17 million spent. A dozen or so left wing Clinton supporting attorneys. 2 years later. Aaaannd... nothing but some Russians laughably and impotently indicted, a couple of people that got tricked into giving contradictory testimony in interviews, and some lawyer that has a money problem completely unrelated to the "Russian collusion" probe.

    But it's not over! Still working on it. Trump's guilty for sure, we'll find something any day now.
    $17M !! Wow !! That's a lot of money.
    How much has it cost for Air Force One to take Trump golfing in the same time period ?? 😲
  7. SubscriberSuzianne
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    07 Jun '18 13:52
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    $17M !! Wow !! That's a lot of money.
    How much has it cost for Air Force One to take Trump golfing in the same time period ?? 😲
    And how much was spent on investigating Hillary Clinton with ZERO to show for it?

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-has-the-U-S-Congress-and-Senate-spent-investigating-Hillary-Clinton-and-what-has-the-country-gained-from-these-investigations

    Seems like a LOT more has to be spent to make this investigation as useless as that investigation.
  8. Unknown Territories
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    07 Jun '18 14:24
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    And how much was spent on investigating Hillary Clinton with ZERO to show for it?

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-has-the-U-S-Congress-and-Senate-spent-investigating-Hillary-Clinton-and-what-has-the-country-gained-from-these-investigations

    Seems like a LOT more has to be spent to make this investigation as useless as that investigation.
    The important thing to focus on here, is that despite political affiliation, regardless of name or any other associations, the lawyers are not losing a thing.

    Okay, maybe they're losing a little bit of sleep, on account of working so much, but seriously: we should all be very satisfied knowing this persecuted and typically unrepresented group is not being negatively impacted by all of the apparent in-fighting that's been going on for the last forty years.
  9. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    07 Jun '18 14:34
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    And how much was spent on investigating Hillary Clinton with ZERO to show for it?

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-has-the-U-S-Congress-and-Senate-spent-investigating-Hillary-Clinton-and-what-has-the-country-gained-from-these-investigations

    Seems like a LOT more has to be spent to make this investigation as useless as that investigation.
    McCabe is crying for immunity now. He and others are going to be taken to task because the Hillary investigation was bungled intentionally. That's why "zero" was produced.

    You can pretty much count on zero coming from never-Trumper liberals investigating one of their own.
  10. Germany
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    07 Jun '18 15:05
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    17 million spent. A dozen or so left wing Clinton supporting attorneys. 2 years later. Aaaannd... nothing but some Russians laughably and impotently indicted, a couple of people that got tricked into giving contradictory testimony in interviews, and some lawyer that has a money problem completely unrelated to the "Russian collusion" probe.

    But it's not over! Still working on it. Trump's guilty for sure, we'll find something any day now.
    Perhaps Flynn et al. could have avoided being "tricked" by telling the truth to FBI investigators?
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